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miss-tink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Derrick Lee's #1 Fan wrote:
GuitarHero wrote:
Rugby Girl wrote:

10 Dan Parks (Glasgow Warriors)


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Goodbye World Cup seeding, then. wave


I was waving goodbye to that when Parks got the plane last weekend Razz Has someone actually sat Hadden down and explained the fact that the world cup seeding kind of relies on winning these games..... or can pictures not explain this?!
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Crichton Gunner
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Come on, guys. Dan Parks was in excellent form over the last 5-6 games of the season. He was regularly MoM in this period, including in the game against us at Firhill. Glasgow scored a barrowload of points in these games, and he himself scored a lot of these. Yes, he had a poor 6N, but he wasn't the only one. If you're picking on form (which everyone says they wanted Hadden to do) then it had to be Parks starting. I hope Lineen can get him playing for Scotland like he did for Glasgow, as he can be an excellent play-maker. There, I've said it, and feel better for it.
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miss-tink
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes Parks did have a good run at the end of the season but it seems that when he pulls on a Scotland shirt it all goes to pot. Could it be that he just can't cut the mustard at international level.. he won't be the first and he most certainly won't be the last.

And while I'm at it, it's not just Hadden's decision to play Parks at 10 but selecting players who haven't had a great deal of game time at the end of the season, Kellock, Paterson and Webster didn't feature for their teams at the end of the season for one reason or another... not too sure about Danielli or Murray though.. when there are other players who were playing regularly until the end of the season. At least he's getting 99% playing in their positions tho Razz
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Derrick Lee's #1 Fan
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crichton Gunner wrote:
I hope Lineen can get him playing for Scotland like he did for Glasgow, as he can be an excellent play-maker. There, I've said it, and feel better for it.


I hope you're right, but Dan Parks has had so many nightmares for Scotland (while playing well for Glasgow I might add!) that personally I feel I have no alternative but to assume the worst.
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djphilp
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 9:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My main query with that squad is, why have three fly halves in the 22?

Surely having NDL or Southwell on the bench ahead of Godman would have made more sense, with Paterson as cover for 10?

The pack also look lightweight but I look forward to HEARING ( Rolling Eyes typical of the SRU to fail to secure TV coverage) about the running rugby they must be planning to play. Lets just hope that Parks doesn't throw too many howlers that result in intercept or break away tries for the Argentinians.
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kev
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 10:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crichton Gunner wrote:
Come on, guys. Dan Parks was in excellent form over the last 5-6 games of the season. He was regularly MoM in this period, including in the game against us at Firhill. Glasgow scored a barrowload of points in these games, and he himself scored a lot of these. Yes, he had a poor 6N, but he wasn't the only one. If you're picking on form (which everyone says they wanted Hadden to do) then it had to be Parks starting. I hope Lineen can get him playing for Scotland like he did for Glasgow, as he can be an excellent play-maker. There, I've said it, and feel better for it.


Well said. The way it was reported at the time was that Lineen managed to get the best out of Parks in a way that Hadden never has. I'm hopeful that with Lineen on-board, Parks will continue to hit these heights. Time will tell.

On the whole I'm pretty upbeat about our chances, it's a pretty agile pack and I'm sure AR will have them well drilled around the breakdown. If we can keep it quick we're in with a chance. The biggest worry is how our scrum will hold up, doesn't look like enough bulk on the bench to shore things up late in the game.
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The Nudger
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamiet wrote:
Nudger I am sure that AR will give him a go and a go in training ( as has happened in the past, with by now lots of coaches ) , I have a question for you though -

If AR does not play him regularily at 10 does that now then mean that ( as is the norm on this forum) that AR is another coach who is an idiot?
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As someone said above Paterson needs games at fly half. Giving him a run in training is completly irrelevent.

For the recored I have always thought that Mossy's best position is probably fullback. However given our dire need for a decent fly half I think we have to give him at least 10 consecutive starts at fly half to make a valid judgement. I would expect him to be pretty shaky in say the first 5 of those games but we need to persevere as the second 5 of those games could then be used to make a proper judgement. The problem is that he has never had those consecutive starts. Just when he has started to find his feet he has been shunted around. As for playing him on the wing, that has always been a grave error IMHO.

I hope that AR will have the confidence to give him those 10 starts even if it means accepting a couple of dissapinting results along the way.

I know you're a big fan of PG but I'm afraid I just can't see him cutting it at international level. Some excellent club performers simply can't cope with the extra pace of the international game. A certain Mr Parks springs to mind. In terms of a prospect to be developed I would rather see D. Blair get time than Godman as he always looks to have time on the ball and this is usually the mark of someone who will be able to cope with the step up.
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superl99
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Parks backed to take Scots forward.

Some of the comments are hilarious (e.g. 'This is great news and good for the boy Parks. My own personal rugby career was always hindered by an unfortunate succession of coaches with a narrow minded insistance in both fitness and ability. Glad to see in these more modern times that such afflictions do not blight other generations.'), but what is depressing is Frank's attitude towards caps: 'People say it's about ability, but I think it's more to do with attitude than ability.' Well, that explains a lot Razz

I know Parks played 'well' in the latter part of the season for Glasgow and even broke the gain line, but I think this is more to do with the fact that defences sit deep for the kick, know he'll never run with ball in hand at them and leave giant gaps for him, which he has occasionally (but only for Glasgow of course) found the cajones to exploit. After (or if) he does it once in Argentina, the Argies will not be so naive; he does not have speed or guile, and after ending up flat on his back from a flanker running over top of him I doubt he'll be too quick to put his body on the line again, as usual.
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jamiet
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nudger agree about CP at fullback , however I am not a big PG fan I just beleive he is getting better and better ( finally some might say!)and is a 10 who plays my favourite style of rugby.

I do for the record hope that now he is selected that Parks has an absolute stormer and keeps his postion ( by playing a stormer ) , even though I would rather see PG there!! Come on Parks!!

My main gripe has always been that I am a big believer that players need to play in position and who are on form. So to suggest that somebody who doesn't play the position for a club should be playing it internationally I feel is wrong.

Look at the team for Saturday NDL not in but Webster ( who I really like ) is straight in having been injured?

Any way good luck on Saturday and it is great to see that it is available on the internet ,just hope I know how to use it! Watching on streaming is it like watching it on TV?
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GuitarHero
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 10:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hopefully if our belief pulls us through and we DO manage to qualify for the world cup automatically then perhaps Frank would be willing to try other people at 10. As these are high stake games, I can't see Frank trying ANYTHING new until our fate is determined.
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Rugby Girl
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This website is definitely showing the game live for the cost of £5.10 if people are wanting to shell out for the game www.mediazone.com/rugby
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ratty
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jamiet, I'm sorry to call you on this one but on this forum some time ago you claimed to be a big Godman fan using exactly the words Nudger has quoted. I'm assuming that's why he used those words.
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jamiet
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sorry I got my wordings a little wrong , what I was trying to say was that I beieve in what I am saying not just because I like PG at 10......I hoope that has made sense Smile .
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on looker
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rugby Girl wrote:
This website is definitely showing the game live for the cost of £5.10 if people are wanting to shell out for the game www.mediazone.com/rugby


Not in the UK Sad
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GuitarHero
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 06, 2008 4:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

on looker wrote:
Rugby Girl wrote:
This website is definitely showing the game live for the cost of £5.10 if people are wanting to shell out for the game www.mediazone.com/rugby


Not in the UK Sad


I'm not 100% sure as the website does originally say:
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June Tours matches are NOT available in the
UK, Ireland, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Greece and Cyprus.


But then also says:
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Note: Argentina vs Scotland - June 07, 2008 is available worldwide, LIVE and On Demand, excluding South Africa, Spain Portugal, Middle East, Singapore, Malaysia & Latin America.


So I really have no idea if it IS available or not, it's too wooly to say for sure.. Might wait until afterwards and then possibly download the match if we win Razz
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