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Watty
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there is a difference between being patriotic (ie Kiwi and proud) and passionate (ie passionate about doing a good job and proud to represent Scotland). Im sure Matt is both and will pull on the colours with utmost pride & do a damn fine job for us aswell.
good luck mate - delighted for you. |
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Loops
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| Posted: Thu May 22, 2008 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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... the same cannot be said for other anitpodeans who have donned the dark blue of scotland. |
Or indeed for several Scottish born players. |
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GuitarHero
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| Loops wrote: | | K-Pac wrote: |
... the same cannot be said for other anitpodeans who have donned the dark blue of scotland. |
Or indeed for several Scottish born players. |
Sad but True =[ |
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Crichton Gunner
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| When is someone "Scottish"? Nathan Hines isn't any more Scottish than Matt, and not may people think he shouldn't be playing for us. Maybe Matt will live in Scotland for the rest of his life, maybe he won't. Does it really matter? He has as much right to play for us as the Volcano does for England or most of the All Blacks have for NZ. It'd be nice if there was a good Scottish-born lock available for the tour, but there isn't. I'm sure Matt will give his all if selected - well done, and good luck to him. |
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ratty
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| True, and won't Matt's son be Scottish too, counts for something. But doesn't Hines's grandparent come from Glasgow? |
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Jon
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| For the record I agree with the principal of residency (for example people living here from early years) I just feel that 3 years is too short. As far as ancestry is concerned (a la Hines, and Parks - darnit!) that is just the way it is and fair enough. |
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Derrick Lee's #1 Fan
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I don't disagree with residency or Scottish granny qualification either, but I think as far as the top nations are concerned they should be seen as fall-back positions. They're more applicable in my opinion to giving emerging nations access to a better calibre of player in order to aid their development.  |
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Oldsalt
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Webster and Mustchin called up to Scotland squad |
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| Derrick Lee's #1 Fan wrote: | | Rugby Girl wrote: | | Meanwhile in the pack, Mustchin, who qualifies for Scotland through the IRB’s three year residency requirement, has been introduced to fill one of the three vacancies at lock. |
Nice to see the youth policy bearing fruit.  |
Example given - you know what they say about sarcasm!
Matt telling the coach that he was qualified may have been in jest. However as others have said here - where are the Scots locks? There are none readily available without a fight with the French. As this is a "Friendly" then it might not be the time to push it with the French.
Nelson said "I would rather have 1 volunteer than 12 pressed men.
Matt has volunteered and I say welcome. |
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jamiet
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I may sound repetitive but .........................
I think Webster is a player who when playing should be picked , however ( please superl99 this is not a comment about Mossy for 10!!  ) he has been injured and has not proved himself recently so regardless of reputation he should not be picked for the team. |
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djphilp
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Whilst we are all on about "foreigners" apparently blocking the route for "True Scots" I was far more unhappy to see Glasgow announce that Tim Barker has been resigned.
He is unlikely to be a first team choice as the likes of Kellock, Turner and Palepoi must be ahead of him and there are also Newman and Eddie listed as locks at the club.
So why have they signed a "foreigner" rather than a young Scottish prospect? Are the opportunities for such players not already too few and far between without the SRU making it harder by signing squad players from abroad? |
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jimc
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| djphilp wrote: | Whilst we are all on about "foreigners" apparently blocking the route for "True Scots" I was far more unhappy to see Glasgow announce that Tim Barker has been resigned.
He is unlikely to be a first team choice as the likes of Kellock, Turner and Palepoi must be ahead of him and there are also Newman and Eddie listed as locks at the club.
So why have they signed a "foreigner" rather than a young Scottish prospect? Are the opportunities for such players not already too few and far between without the SRU making it harder by signing squad players from abroad? |
DJ try to keep up Andy Newman (not scottish) is off to France. james eddie is great player but probably a bit short for a lock; Palepoi hasn't really sparkled. Tim Barker was very good previously for Glasgow and is welcomed back. We'd all be happy to see a real Scottish prospect, but right now Glasgow need a ready made bruiser, just like Edinburgh did! |
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Derrick Lee's #1 Fan
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| Posted: Sat May 24, 2008 11:31 am Post subject: Re: Webster and Mustchin called up to Scotland squad |
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| Oldsalt wrote: | | You know what they say about sarcasm! |
I know what those who don't appreciate it say about it. (Oops, there I go again... [slaps wrist]  ) I actually thought that quip you cite above was fairly light-hearted...still, takes all sorts I suppose.
| Oldsalt wrote: | Matt telling the coach that he was qualified may have been in jest. However as others have said here - where are the Scots locks? There are none readily available without a fight with the French. As this is a "Friendly" then it might not be the time to push it with the French.
Nelson said "I would rather have 1 volunteer than 12 pressed men.
Matt has volunteered and I say welcome. |
Look, if you want to see Matt's call-up as a recognition of the fine season he's had, then fine, at no point have I denied that he deserves it from that point of view, and fair play to him for it. But looking beyond that, it is a sign that we have let ourselves down badly on the player development side of things that he is one of the only locks we have available for an overseas tour to a country we have only ever beaten once, which will have a direct impact on our seeding for the World Cup. We almost deserve to have our seeding hammered.
Fair play to Matt for volunteering, but he shouldn't have been put in that position. |
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Oldsalt
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Don't disagree with what you say on development of younger Scottish players at all.
However we have to deal with the situation at hand. The players did not make the schedules for the internationals or leagues. We do not have the professional player base because of the structure. Yes it would have been wonderfull if we had the four pro teams and perhaps a Caledonia team would be better supported in Perth,Dundee or Aberdeen than the Borders were, but we don't.
Iain Morrison thinks that both Glasgow and Edinburgh could develop into really strong European Teams if they follow the same style of business plan as Munster. This is fine but it needs support.
As far as supporting younger players goes I'll be at Murrayfield supporting the Thistles on saturday and sunday for the sevens, how many others will be?
And the last word ....... (now who's being sarcastic?) |
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Derrick Lee's #1 Fan
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| Oldsalt wrote: | | And the last word ....... (now who's being sarcastic?) |
See, you're getting the hang of it now!
If the SRU hadn't spent the last dozen years lollygagging around maybe we could have had a thriving four-team professional structure by now. But you're right, we are where we are, and hopefully now things are finally beginning to move in the right direction. |
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Jon
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Quick question.... Quarter Final of the 7s tomorrow, Scotland v New Zealand..... anyone know who Matt is supporting now he is Scottish???  |
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