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Edinburgh -V- The Scarlets
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Who will win?
Edinburgh (with a try bonus point)
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
Edinburgh (just, with a losing bonus for The Scarlets)
61%
 61%  [ 13 ]
Draw
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
The Scarlets (just, with a losing bonus for Edinburgh)
4%
 4%  [ 1 ]
The Scarlets (with a try bonus point)
28%
 28%  [ 6 ]
Total Votes : 21

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miss-tink
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That was more like it!

Was a bit nervous about Southwell being played at centre for the first time in ages but he did ok apart from a couple of wobbles..which is pretty much on par for him lately but a vast improvement on the previous weeks performance.

Hopefully we can take a boost from this win and take it on the road to Newport Very Happy
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jrp
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jamiet wrote:
To be fair to Southwell, when he dropped the pass I think is being discussed above, it was a bad pass. ( on his toes )

It was unfortunate because if it had been any other player dropping the ball I don't think it would have been discussed on this forum at all.

How many comments are there on here re Robertson's howler?


It was not at his toes, I wouldn't have discussed it if it had. He had to bend to reach it but it was just below his waste.

I do sound like some Southwell hater, but I just think he sums up everything bad about Scottish back play. He has no hands, his passing is wooden and stilted and is prone to more brain farts than Blashaw.

I don't understand the questions about Mossies defence though - all seems to be based on the 2005 Calcutta match.
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djphilp
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 8:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jrp wrote:
...I don't understand the questions about Mossies defence though - all seems to be based on the 2005 Calcutta match.


I haven't based my opinion on the 2005 calcutta cup as I didn't see that game, but I assume from what you are saying that he had a defensive nightmare then too.
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Jon
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 22, 2008 10:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"then too".... when are these defensive nightmares you refer to djphilp? Yes sometimes he cannot stop a player running full pelt at him, but he always tries. Most (if not all) players will get run over, through or stepped past at some stage. Mossy is not a poor defender, and he does not miss lots of tackles, honestly get a grip.
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djphilp
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 7:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jon wrote:
"then too".... when are these defensive nightmares you refer to djphilp? Yes sometimes he cannot stop a player running full pelt at him, but he always tries. Most (if not all) players will get run over, through or stepped past at some stage. Mossy is not a poor defender, and he does not miss lots of tackles, honestly get a grip.


Look I have never said that Mossy does not try. However his defence is not his strongest suit, and he does miss tackles due in part to positional frailties but mostly due to being only 12 stone wet through.

The most glaring defensive c**k up I remember was actually when he was playing against Italy and he let Mauro Bergamasco round him and score at Murrayfield (positional).

I also remember Leonelli scoring through him at Murrayfield for Argentina when a heavier player would have stopped the medium build Leonelli (weight).

I am not saying Mossy is the worst defender and I would like to state that I would have him in my team every time as he has the abiity to make something happen from nothing in attack, but his defence is suspect at times and sometimes he doesn't "get a grip" either.

So Jon does that placate you?
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Eildon
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Very often, it is the case, as John Beattie recently said, that CP's problem is that he is expected to do too much on his own, and lacks support from colleagues. If you look again at the Leonelli try, for instance, you will see three Scots players all lined up watching the action, with one, Parka, near enough to touch Leonelli, yet CP was left to try to turn Leonelli on his own. In the Calcutta Cup 2005, Jamie Noon had already run through a selection of Scottish players before reaching CP. He slipped and fell against Chris, knocking him on to the back foot and therefore unable to tackle properly. Etc. CP isn't perfect - who is? - but why single him out when so many of his colleagues could be similarly targeted?

I also seem to remember that in 2005 CP was Rugby World magazine and the BBC's Fullback of the Six Nations - and that the SRU used him as the "How to tackle" model for the training DVD they issued to schools.
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djphilp
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 9:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Eildon wrote:
...CP isn't perfect - who is? - but why single him out when so many of his colleagues could be similarly targeted?...


I didn't mean to single him out. All I initially said was...

I wrote:
I hope he shines there (fullback) as he has in the past, but I also hope he isn't found out in defence as he also has been in the past.


some seemed to take umbridge with this and all I have done is defend the reasoning behind my opinion.

Anyway he did shine and was not found out in defence so I for one am happy. Smile
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Debaser
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 23, 2008 11:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without trying to reignite the Mossy fanclub defensive response... Brian O'D did pick him against leinster and run with him for 10 yards. While this is not questioning his defence it does highlight the difficulty he has being 2-3 stones lighter than the opposition backs. I don't question his commitment but I do question whether he is the best person to form the last line of defence when the attacker needs smashed into touch? I suppose that brings in the question of whether rugby is still for all shapes and sizes.

I would suggest that he recieves a larger amount of critisised due to being Scotland's highest profile back. Having said that he was superb last week and he'd be my pick for full back.
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Crichton Gunner
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 9:41 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In reality, how often is the full back making a one-on-one tackle with a big bruiser close to his own line, where if he gets run-over then it's a try? Not very often. In most cases where the full back is one-on-one as the last line of defence it's further up the pitch, and if he can get hold of the attacker and at least slow him down it gives time for the rest of the defence to catch up and sort out the problem. Mossy is well able to do this, he is a brave and good technical tackler. Yes, he'd probably not stop Xavier Rush from 3m out, but then again not many of our squad would (as has been demonstrated in the past).
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Oldsalt
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 10:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is history now, let's move on to the Dragons match. Smile
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Crichton Gunner
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2008 11:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

OK, as long as I can post the same comment after that Lol
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