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realist
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SRU is absolutely to blame......for destroying interest in the game in Scotland. TV companies would buy the package if they thought enough people would watch but the fact they didn't indicates just how far down the pan interest in the national team has gone.
McKie will always, every single time, blame someone else for the state of play. Best one recently was the P1 and P2 clubs for the stuffing of the U20s (Herald report) but previously it has been Carruthers most notably and someone eventually may just ask how we have progressed since McKie arrived 3 years ago.
Some minor financial improvements but in terms of our core business (rugby) an abject lack of progression at any level. The Hadden saga is the most tangible sign that SRU is going nowhere. |
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Oldsalt
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click on the link posted by CG.
The SRU have not tied in any deals for domestic rugby despite being allegedly advised to do this over a number of years.
Could the SRU not have covered some of the cost with the BBC on this tour, after all I like a lot of others fork out quite substantial sums to watch Scotland. If the SRU had done this then it would have gone some way to assuage the feeling of being cheated with the cost of tickets and selection policy of the All Blacks match in the RWC.
BTW I have my tickets for the AI's and I will be conducting my own review based on my criteria - bad performances = no more tickets. |
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Legless
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| Quote: | | The SRU have not tied in any deals for domestic rugby despite being allegedly advised to do this over a number of years |
I enjoy a bit of SRU bashing as much as the next guy but wasn't that deal agreed about 5 years ago under the previous administration? If so its a bit unfair to hold the present bunch to account for something they had no control over. |
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jimc
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| Legless wrote: | | Quote: | | The SRU have not tied in any deals for domestic rugby despite being allegedly advised to do this over a number of years |
I enjoy a bit of SRU bashing as much as the next guy but wasn't that deal agreed about 5 years ago under the previous administration? If so its a bit unfair to hold the present bunch to account for something they had no control over. |
The current SRU management didn't have the TV rights, didn't sign the current domestic TV rights deal , so it must be their fault. 
Lets not let any facts get in the way of a good rant.  |
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Fanscene
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What is frustrating is that the Australia-France game this weekend is on Sky. It must be that Sky have the rights to the Tri-Nations and tour matches tied in with Currie Cup S14 and Air NZ cup.
It was a sellers market and probably realised that they would get more from selling rights to an Internet company.
As for Sky, a lot of the sport they show is because the sport pay Sky to show it. Especially one off rugby matches. There was a game a few years back at Twickenham, that was a final and sky wouldn't show it even though it was on a midweek aftrenoon unless they were paid a substantial ammount. |
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Martin Bell
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| realist wrote: | SRU is absolutely to blame......for destroying interest in the game in Scotland. TV companies would buy the package if they thought enough people would watch but the fact they didn't indicates just how far down the pan interest in the national team has gone.
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No doubt.
But the underlying point behind discussions such as these is that the BBC is a public service broadcaster. It has a duty to look beyond ratings towards growing audiences for and interest in minority sports. While the viewing figures argument is absolutely understandable for STV (which I think does have some sort of public service obligation) and Sky/Setanta, it just does not wash for the BBC. That's why, for example, they have invested so much money in digital TV channels that, for a long time, no-body watched in order to encourage folk to make the switch. Ratings generally are not - or at least are not supposed to be - the be all and end all for them.
The article in The Herald that Oldsalt refers to highlighted fairly extreme disquiet in the BBC Trust with BBC Scotland's almost total focus on football in its sports coverage. Things may change in future as a result.
One of the Herald titles a couple of weeks ago highlighted Chris Hoy as being perhaps Scotland's greatest ever sportsman (admittedly he does have a book to plug at the moment, but it's an extraordinary story). With the exception of the Olympics coverage, I doubt that he has ever appeared in action on BBC Scotland, as track cycling does not appear on their radar. It's tragic that he has not got the recognition that he deserves in Scotland. The sport's relative anonymity means that fewer young folk have a go. It also means that councillors can get away with destroying the centre of excellence that is the velodrome at Meadowbank. The BBC have contributed to all of that through their indifference to the sport.
I'm a bit old fashioned and think that the BBC should return some way towards its Reithian roots.
Having said all that, I'm not too worked up about these tests not being on TV. |
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Derrick Lee's #1 Fan
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| Martin Bell wrote: | The underlying point behind discussions such as these is that the BBC is a public service broadcaster. It has a duty to look beyond ratings towards growing audiences for and interest in minority sports. While the viewing figures argument is absolutely understandable for STV (which I think does have some sort of public service obligation) and Sky/Setanta, it just does not wash for the BBC. That's why, for example, they have invested so much money in digital TV channels that, for a long time, no-body watched in order to encourage folk to make the switch. Ratings generally are not - or at least are not supposed to be - the be all and end all for them.
The article in The Herald that Oldsalt refers to highlighted fairly extreme disquiet in the BBC Trust with BBC Scotland's almost total focus on football in its sports coverage. Things may change in future as a result.
One of the Herald titles a couple of weeks ago highlighted Chris Hoy as being perhaps Scotland's greatest ever sportsman (admittedly he does have a book to plug at the moment, but it's an extraordinary story). With the exception of the Olympics coverage, I doubt that he has ever appeared in action on BBC Scotland, as track cycling does not appear on their radar. It's tragic that he has not got the recognition that he deserves in Scotland. The sport's relative anonymity means that fewer young folk have a go. It also means that councillors can get away with destroying the centre of excellence that is the velodrome at Meadowbank. The BBC have contributed to all of that through their indifference to the sport.
I'm a bit old fashioned and think that the BBC should return some way towards its Reithian roots. |
Well said, sir.  |
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Oldsalt
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Phew!
What did I kick off? I did not set out to bash the SRU but only to highlight that you can negotiate and co-operate to benefit both. I hoped more people would actually read the article and form their opinions.
If suggesting that a bit of thought towards the fans who actually suppport the pro set up is wrong then we should not bother with this forum.  |
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Kuffs
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Loops
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Perhaps there is a chance we could get some of our games on TV. This article is from today's Scotsman :
Scottish clubs agree to BBC Alba showing ten games live
http://sport.scotsman.com/rugby/Scottish-clubs-agree--to.4555181.jp#3298619
If this deal does go through, then I would have thought BBC Alba should be able to do a deal with BBC Wales, and at least add Magners League highlights to their rugby programme, or even better, the whole match! Then they just have to get Setanta on board, and we're fixed. |
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Martin Bell
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| I guess the only problem with this - genuinely welcome though it is - is tha BBC Alba is not available on Freeview. A shame, as I think Eorpa is about the best thing that BBC Scotland has done in recent years and was hoping for more of the same. |
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