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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby Edinburgh Shark on Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:40 pm

He'd be SQ by now but you're right, his development will have probably gone in very different direction.

Can we see Kinghorn getting more time at 10 or staying at 15? #MossyMkII
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby BigD163 on Mon Mar 20, 2017 3:51 pm

Tichtheid wrote:
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Friday Knight Lights wrote:Sunday Times reporting we've seen off interest from Gloucester to keep Gilchrist...

Hopefully Cockerill can get the best from him if that is the case, needs to cut out the ridiculous penalties and wear a sensible colour scrum hat.


Interesting. Shows how much the market for him has fallen off. Top tier French clubs to Gloucs wanting to sign him.



There was one stupid lineout penalty on Saturday, but other than that I thought he looked much more like his old self.
He's still only 26, I'd like to see what he brings during a good injury-free run, and I'd much rather he was fit and firing for Edinburgh than anyone else, at his best he is a hell of a player.


I think he could be a very good club player. He has been a bit of a sick note (not all his fault) so he has a fair bit to prove IMO*. Realistically he has given very little return on last seasons contract so even this deal is a way a bit of good faith by ER/SRU.

If it is true that he and Nel are signed then that is the tight 5 mostly sorted. I hope they have the BR and backline recruitment in hand as it needs some work.

*Not all his fault, but VC elevated him way above his level by naming him captain of Scotland. I haven't seen every game he has played but he had never shown that sort of quality anytime I saw him play.
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Mon Mar 20, 2017 9:42 pm

Being captain of Scotland isn't necessarily about quality but leadership - think Al Kellock.
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby Oldsalt on Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:12 pm

Rico the red and black didn't suit him, he only wants to play in blue. :wink:
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby hp18 on Mon Mar 20, 2017 10:17 pm

Tichtheid wrote:
GaryIPA wrote:
need to point out he gave away 4 pens sat



I remember one where he played the opposing jumper's arm, which is one of these things, the stupid one was climbing all over him again at the next lineout, but it did also look like the lifters were at fault on that incident.

If I can bring myself to watch the game again I'll have a look out for the others.

I've never considered Gilcho any kind of penalty magnet.

He gave away 4 pens. Two players with two, 5 with one. That's not acceptable for his contribution.
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby dolf_lundgren on Tue Mar 21, 2017 8:51 am

I agree 4 is too many but it is not as black and white as that. If he is the one who is there to stop the driving maul then he is more likley to be penalised, it really depends on the refs approach to maul defence. Similarly a pen 10m from the line is preferable to conceding a try, so if momentum is building it is better killed off.

I thought GC looked good on sat, Glasgow supporters will not give him the credit he deserves as he is not Tim Swinson in the same way Visser will always be a turnstyle in their eyes. The reality on selection is likely he is there to do a specific job which is add bulk, grunt and disrupt the mauls. Toolis can do some of that and Swinson can do some of that but neither provides the security in the scrum that GC can, he is a huge lump and is good at disrupting mauls (sometimes legally). We dont tend to breed many massive lumps so when we get them then they tend to play, although Gray snr adds more than just that. If you look at the 2 NSQ 2nd rows that Glasgow have signed they are basically just big lumps as it compliments what they already have, its not whether GC is better than Swinson its what he offers to compliment the squad and for a specific game.

There is also the leadership element, I have no idea whether GC adds a lt n that department, but Vern seems fairly sure and I am willing to accept he may know a little more than me!
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby Frenchy on Tue Mar 21, 2017 9:02 am

dolf_lundgren wrote:Toolis can do some of that and Swinson can do some of that but neither provides the security in the scrum that GC can, he is a huge lump and is good at disrupting mauls (sometimes legally)

I agree with your post, but recently Toolis has been at the tighthead side of the scrum. I took this to mean that Toolis is now considered the stronger scrummager, but that could be wrong.
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby robdinsdale on Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:31 am

Edinburgh Shark wrote:
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Oldsalt wrote:Don't need a back three player we have enough young talent to bring through. We need a 10 and 12 in the backs. :roll:


There's a 10/12 playing for the Blues who's going well by all accounts, and could be worth a look ... :P


Saints have beaten us to him. Wish him well down there, I think we let a goody away


I thought he looked decent enough with ball in hand when he was with us but his kicking was absolutely rank, so I imagine that part of his game must have improved.
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby Rico on Wed Mar 22, 2017 9:52 am

Big news to be announced later today according to the ER twitter feed - Nel re-signing or the aforementioned SH import ?
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby Tichtheid on Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:33 am

Rico wrote:Big news to be announced later today according to the ER twitter feed - Nel re-signing or the aforementioned SH import ?



Ben Smith? Julian Savea? Izzy Falou?
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby adi1314 on Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:37 am

Resigning Will Helu? :eek:
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby BigD163 on Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:40 am

Might not even be player related.
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby BigD163 on Wed Mar 22, 2017 11:56 am

great news. Nel confirmed.
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby Frenchy on Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:00 pm

Three years. Get in.
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Re: Edinburgh Rugby Squad 2017/18

Postby dolf_lundgren on Wed Mar 22, 2017 12:00 pm

Johnson gets a huge amount of stick, but getting Nel on a 3 yr deal is a brilliant bit of news. Just hope is isnt injured for much of it!
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