Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby joe soap on Mon Apr 10, 2017 3:38 pm

Wottie wrote:On the coaching front, any news of what Nathan Hines is doing post Cotter's reign with Scotland? Is he going with Vern to France, staying with the national team setup, or is he available now? He seemed to be doing well under Cotter and wonder if he may pitch up as part of a revamped team under Cockerill?


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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby Wottie on Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:16 pm

Suppose that's probably the best outcome for him. Not a bad guy's coat-tails to hang onto, nor place to advance your coaching career.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:57 pm

The Feral Goat wrote:Agree with this, think Ford is decent player but his performances always suffer when he is made captain, so you have to question why the coaches continue to make him captain.

Watson/Toolis have been our standout players in terms of performance and attitude but I have no idea if either have any leadership ability, Toolis certainly comes across as quite a quiet person.


Presumably because he has so much experience as you're right he doesn't show much leadership wise.

Watson seems quite quiet as well unfortunately, as does Nel who is the other guy really guaranteed starts. You can't see either of them communicating well with the ref which you need these days. An underplayed problem is our established players either don't have much leadership ability or aren't really very good.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby dolf_lundgren on Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:44 pm

Leaders can be quiet though.

David Sole is very quiet. More recently Dougie Hall gets huge credit (internally at least) for dragging Glasgow across the line in the pro12 despite appearing to be very quiet.

Arguably if a leader needs to work to ake himself heard he has not done his job properly. I would say someone like Watson can set the standard of the team by his actions rather than talking.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby Tichtheid on Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:45 am

I wonder.... Jamie Ritchie was seen as a future Scotland captain when he first signed up. Cockers name checked him in that interview as one of the good young players he was looking to build the side around.

I really like Ritchie, his form has been a bit patchy and he could use a few more kilos, but at 20 years old he has the attitude, the grit that has been lacking from a few of the senior players
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:36 pm

dolf_lundgren wrote:Leaders can be quiet though.

David Sole is very quiet. More recently Dougie Hall gets huge credit (internally at least) for dragging Glasgow across the line in the pro12 despite appearing to be very quiet.

Arguably if a leader needs to work to ake himself heard he has not done his job properly. I would say someone like Watson can set the standard of the team by his actions rather than talking.


I always remember David Sole having an aura about him and that he was a real leader of men but I guess I might just be looking back on his days fondly.

I do agree Watson would be the follow me leader but this season he's led by example and not been followed. I just don't get a leadership vibe from him - of course no bad thing he's excellent at everything else!
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Tue Apr 11, 2017 9:38 pm

Tichtheid wrote:I wonder.... Jamie Ritchie was seen as a future Scotland captain when he first signed up. Cockers name checked him in that interview as one of the good young players he was looking to build the side around.

I really like Ritchie, his form has been a bit patchy and he could use a few more kilos, but at 20 years old he has the attitude, the grit that has been lacking from a few of the senior players


I think he will be one of the guys we build around but I worry he's a bit Al Kellock with Scotland and there's better starting options so Ritchie can't nail down a spot on the team.

But a lot of the young guys we've got coming through have captained their school to success and the Scotland age grades so there is a young core of guys with leadership ability and experience.

Ideally Cockers get Gilchrist firing again as he was captain of Scotland so it's likely he is a leader - just needs to sort his game out and I think his physicality around the pitch with Scotland and Edinburgh is getting back to where it was.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby djphilp on Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:04 pm

Problem is Grant Gilchrist might not be around. Unless I'm mistaken his contract is up in May 2017 and he has yet to sign a new one is he not?
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby Frenchy on Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:01 pm

djphilp wrote:Problem is Grant Gilchrist might not be around. Unless I'm mistaken his contract is up in May 2017 and he has yet to sign a new one is he not?

It's certainly yet to be announced if he has.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby New Gunner on Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:16 pm

Frenchy wrote:
djphilp wrote:Problem is Grant Gilchrist might not be around. Unless I'm mistaken his contract is up in May 2017 and he has yet to sign a new one is he not?

It's certainly yet to be announced if he has.


Did Mark Palmer of the Sunday Times not publish that Gilchrist was set to sign on for another season? He's generally on the money, although agree nothing's been announced yet. He called Nel, Hastings and Bennett moves / re-signings weeks before they were official.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby disco on Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:20 pm

New Gunner wrote:
Frenchy wrote:
djphilp wrote:Problem is Grant Gilchrist might not be around. Unless I'm mistaken his contract is up in May 2017 and he has yet to sign a new one is he not?

It's certainly yet to be announced if he has.


Did Mark Palmer of the Sunday Times not publish that Gilchrist was set to sign on for another season? He's generally on the money, although agree nothing's been announced yet. He called Nel, Hastings and Bennett moves / re-signings weeks before they were official.

Yep about 3 weeks ago:

He made his Scotland comeback yesterday, & @SundayTimesScot our understanding is that Grant Gilchrist is set to sign a new deal at Edinburgh
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby GaryIPA on Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:34 pm

Does Cockerill now qualify for the title PHC (proper head coach)?
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Sun Apr 30, 2017 11:02 am

Is allowed to chose his own coaches according to Mark Palmer in today's Sunday Times:

The move is likely to see Calum MacRae, who has impressed as head coach of Scotland 7s, being part of Richard Cockerill’s Edinburgh support staff as a skills specialist. As revealed in last week’s Sunday Times, the former Leicester Tiger will be allowed to decide on his own coaching team, which places a question mark over the future of forwards coach Stevie Scott in particular.


I really think McRae did good work with the sevens so this is intriguing.

On an unrelated note I really think this idea from our supreme leader:

The new roles for Vaughan and Blair are part of an SRU reshuffle which will continue into the summer.

Scott Johnson, the SRU director of rugby responsible for coach development, has long been keen to introduce a “performance group” of centrally employed coaches who can be allocated to specific age-grade, sevens and women’s teams according to their needs. If Johnson’s plan comes to fruition, there would be a clearer progression route for aspiring young coaches such as Nikki Walker, Calum Forrester, Roddy Grant and Ben Cairns.


Centrally contracted SRU coaches getting quality and varied coaching can only be good. It's a real shame Cotter took Gray to Montpellier as breakdown coach as if every player in Scotland had that guy working with them watch out. 16 year olds getting world class breakdown coaching would've been amazing.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby BigD163 on Mon May 01, 2017 9:18 am

Friday Knight Lights wrote:Is allowed to chose his own coaches according to Mark Palmer in today's Sunday Times:

The move is likely to see Calum MacRae, who has impressed as head coach of Scotland 7s, being part of Richard Cockerill’s Edinburgh support staff as a skills specialist. As revealed in last week’s Sunday Times, the former Leicester Tiger will be allowed to decide on his own coaching team, which places a question mark over the future of forwards coach Stevie Scott in particular.


I really think McRae did good work with the sevens so this is intriguing.

On an unrelated note I really think this idea from our supreme leader:

The new roles for Vaughan and Blair are part of an SRU reshuffle which will continue into the summer.

Scott Johnson, the SRU director of rugby responsible for coach development, has long been keen to introduce a “performance group” of centrally employed coaches who can be allocated to specific age-grade, sevens and women’s teams according to their needs. If Johnson’s plan comes to fruition, there would be a clearer progression route for aspiring young coaches such as Nikki Walker, Calum Forrester, Roddy Grant and Ben Cairns.


Centrally contracted SRU coaches getting quality and varied coaching can only be good. It's a real shame Cotter took Gray to Montpellier as breakdown coach as if every player in Scotland had that guy working with them watch out. 16 year olds getting world class breakdown coaching would've been amazing.


Damn shame Scotland and the SRU have let Gray go.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby dolf_lundgren on Mon May 01, 2017 8:14 pm

I'm not sure we ever had him to let go. His contract was only very short term and not fully time, probably at his request. He is making a very nice living by being mr fixit and coaching a very specialist area for short lengths of time. Not sure what the situation is with Montpellier but may not be full time. The work he is doing with NFL may well be hugely outweighing the income he can generate from rugby.

The time to pick Ritchie up was when he was coaching club rugby but he was unremarkable then. Specialist coaches just weren't a thing and I don't think he even knew what his thing was back then. Our problem has been inability to get the main coaches right so seldom had the luxury or worrying about the detail guys.

Agree he would be a good guy to have around, from a technical and motivation point of view, as passionate a guy as you will meet. I've no doubt he will coach Scotland again though, GT will know him well.
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