Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby germain on Tue May 02, 2017 7:37 am

Friday Knight Lights wrote:Is allowed to chose his own coaches according to Mark Palmer in today's Sunday Times:

The move is likely to see Calum MacRae, who has impressed as head coach of Scotland 7s, being part of Richard Cockerill’s Edinburgh support staff as a skills specialist. As revealed in last week’s Sunday Times, the former Leicester Tiger will be allowed to decide on his own coaching team, which places a question mark over the future of forwards coach Stevie Scott in particular.


I really think McRae did good work with the sevens so this is intriguing.


It's good news to hear that Cockerill has the choice of his assistants. Though this choice seems limited to the
centrally contracted pool of coaches :D. It could be either good or bad.
Will Cockerill have the choice to get rid of Hodge who has been looked after by Johnson himself? I still doubt it but we'll see.
What news about Scott Murray or Tom Smith who both went in France a few years ago ? Did they stop coaching ?
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby biffer on Tue May 02, 2017 8:57 am

Tom Smith isn't listed on Lyon's website

http://www.lourugby.fr/club/equipe-pro/staff/
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby germain on Thu May 04, 2017 11:36 am

Blair will be working with Glasgow next year.
The question remains : who could be our back coach if Hodge was leaving?
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby GuitarHero on Thu May 04, 2017 12:03 pm

germain wrote:Blair will be working with Glasgow next year.
The question remains : who could be our back coach if Hodge was leaving?


Not being overly serious with this suggestion, but how is Mossy getting on with his coaching? How about Aaron Mauger who's worked with Cockerill before?

Edit: never mind, just saw Mauger has been appointed attack coach at the Highlanders!
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby gowrie on Thu May 04, 2017 12:27 pm

germain wrote:Blair will be working with Glasgow next year.
The question remains : who could be our back coach if Hodge was leaving?


There's probably a talented Kiwi who could do a good job, though Cockerill may not want to repeat the Mauger experiment.

Wouldn't mind Scottish coaches being involved either, Calum Forester has coached Ayr to be a formidable side, Ben Cairns has Currie playing some very good attacking rugby.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby BigD163 on Thu May 04, 2017 1:52 pm

gowrie wrote:
germain wrote:Blair will be working with Glasgow next year.
The question remains : who could be our back coach if Hodge was leaving?


There's probably a talented Kiwi who could do a good job, though Cockerill may not want to repeat the Mauger experiment.

Wouldn't mind Scottish coaches being involved either, Calum Forester has coached Ayr to be a formidable side, Ben Cairns has Currie playing some very good attacking rugby.


That has been my hope for a while, that we give these guys a chance somewhere in the Pro set ups. Dalziel is taking the U20s again this summer. I do wonder if an experienced backs coach is required.

Maybe Dalziel, as forwards coach (but really under RC), an experienced backs coach and say someone like Ben Fisher as defence coach.

I see Blair is the Scotland skills coach. Perhaps harshly one can ask what has he actually done to deserve the role? Glasgow aren't obviously better in that area this year compared to previous ones.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby germain on Thu May 04, 2017 2:05 pm

GuitarHero wrote:
germain wrote:Blair will be working with Glasgow next year.
The question remains : who could be our back coach if Hodge was leaving?


Not being overly serious with this suggestion, but how is Mossy getting on with his coaching? How about Aaron Mauger who's worked with Cockerill before?

Edit: never mind, just saw Mauger has been appointed attack coach at the Highlanders!


I don't think Cockerill and Mauger will ever work again together. I read they couldn't stand each other at the end. A bit like Back and Bradley...

I read the names of Cairns and Walker in the pool of contracted coaches. Did they do enough in the premiership to get a gig? I don't know. Results have not been excellent. Hawick just avoided relegation this year, and Currie often finished in the top 4 but never reached the final. Phil Smith doesn't look like he will have a go again at pro level. Lineen won't be an assistant. What about Kenny Murray the glaswegian ?
If McRae is coming in, there is a need for the 7's job.
If Wilkins is moving too, we'll need a defense coach. Will Simon Cross stay at Worcester ?
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby BigD163 on Thu May 04, 2017 2:28 pm

germain wrote:
GuitarHero wrote:
germain wrote:Blair will be working with Glasgow next year.
The question remains : who could be our back coach if Hodge was leaving?


Not being overly serious with this suggestion, but how is Mossy getting on with his coaching? How about Aaron Mauger who's worked with Cockerill before?

Edit: never mind, just saw Mauger has been appointed attack coach at the Highlanders!


I don't think Cockerill and Mauger will ever work again together. I read they couldn't stand each other at the end. A bit like Back and Bradley...

I read the names of Cairns and Walker in the pool of contracted coaches. Did they do enough in the premiership to get a gig? I don't know. Results have not been excellent. Hawick just avoided relegation this year, and Currie often finished in the top 4 but never reached the final. Phil Smith doesn't look like he will have a go again at pro level. Lineen won't be an assistant. What about Kenny Murray the glaswegian ?
If McRae is coming in, there is a need for the 7's job.
If Wilkins is moving too, we'll need a defense coach. Will Simon Cross stay at Worcester ?


That is perhaps part of the problem. It is hard to analyse the like of Cairns, Walker etc based purely on results. What was the Hawick expectations? They had a comparatively small budget apparently so was the task purely to keep them up? I noticed Walker is leaving.

Most of the younger coaches are involved at age grade level so perhaps that is a better judge of their coaching merits?
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby germain on Thu May 04, 2017 3:05 pm

For sure.
All I can say is that I'm not against any change in our current coaching staff :D.
Gowrie said earlier that Currie's attacking game was interesting. And that Forrester did a great job too. Why not? But in fact there are not many rumours of change of our attacking coach... McRae is said to be coming but as a skill coach and not as a new attacking coach.
Listening to the rumours, the only coach that seems in danger of losing his job is Scott. Anf if you're honest, you note that our front-row has been decent during all the season, even if our forward play was not good enough... So for sure, it's a complicated matter. What I'm sure about is that I don't want a Scott-Hodge ticket again, but I don't know exactly who to blame for our results.
So at the moment, following rumours, it's Cockerill-Hodge-Wilkins-McRae.

For the forwards, I also think that Lawrie must have done a good job at Heriots to win four titles in three years. I appreciated the player too.

Edit: u18 coaches - Ally Donaldson, Andy Henderson and Ben Cairns.
u16 coaches - Bryan Easson (HC) for the Reds / Steve Lawrie (HC) for the Blues
u20 coaches - Sean Lineen (HC), ??
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby The Feral Goat on Thu May 04, 2017 5:04 pm

McRae Defence Coach,
Hodge attack

Wilkins out, Ash Jones S&C out

No word on Scott

TIgers ex team Manager in as head of Rugby Operations

http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/17/05 ... 718-season
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby gowrie on Thu May 04, 2017 5:20 pm

The Feral Goat wrote:McRae Defence Coach,
Hodge attack

Wilkins out, Ash Jones S&C out

No word on Scott

TIgers ex team Manager in as head of Rugby Operations

http://www.scottishrugby.org/news/17/05 ... 718-season

:lol: It took me way too long to realise that they hadn't posted three pictures of the same person.

Good to see some changes to management as well, all the stories suggest we're fairly far behind others there.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby Wottie on Thu May 04, 2017 6:16 pm

Interesting that faith is being maintained in Hodge as the attack / backs play at both Scotland and Edinburgh has not been great under his watch. Scott must be staying as forwards coach (at lease at this time) as that release from the SRU only deals with changes. The quotes from Petrie and Johnston however do not indicate that that's it and indeed could be construed as hinting at more to come?
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby germain on Thu May 04, 2017 6:27 pm

Wottie wrote: the SRU only deals with changes.


Not exactly, Wilkins is leaving before the end of his contract. Still, the silence about Scott will need to be clarified.
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby joe soap on Thu May 04, 2017 7:09 pm

germain wrote:If McRae is coming in, there is a need for the 7's job.
If Wilkins is moving too, we'll need a defense coach. Will Simon Cross stay at Worcester ?


McRae will be defence coach. Dalziel is replacing him as 7s coach
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Re: Richard Cockerill confirmed as HC

Postby germain on Thu May 04, 2017 7:27 pm

joe soap wrote:
germain wrote:If McRae is coming in, there is a need for the 7's job.
If Wilkins is moving too, we'll need a defense coach. Will Simon Cross stay at Worcester ?


McRae will be defence coach. Dalziel is replacing him as 7s coach


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Thank you but this message was before the announcement.
Now, bar Stevie Scott, the situation is clear. When I wrote it, it was wild speculations...
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