Edinburgh v Scarlets (Away) Fri 24 Mar 2017

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Re: Edinburgh v Scarlets (Away) Fri 24 Mar 2017

Postby Jockybadger on Sat Mar 25, 2017 7:16 am

I'm going to stop watching Edinburgh........it's torture.

All the other posts reflect my feelings.

Thought Alan Tait was insightful.

Hope Dave Rennie is sending 4 SQ NZ'rs over for next season.

Any inside knowledge from one of my old stomping grounds Malleny Park re the prospects of Ben Robbins (is the Honky Tonk still there?)
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Re: Edinburgh v Scarlets (Away) Fri 24 Mar 2017

Postby The Feral Goat on Sat Mar 25, 2017 9:29 am

biffer wrote:
Tichtheid wrote:This won't be a universally popular view, and I say this without having watched tonight's reverse, but going by the comments on the Glasgow forum (never the best resource right enough) we look worse than we did under Solly

We do


Are we actually back to Bradley era performance's and results, how many league wins did he manage?
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Re: Edinburgh v Scarlets (Away) Fri 24 Mar 2017

Postby GaryIPA on Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:19 am

Jockybadger wrote:I'm going to stop watching Edinburgh........it's torture.

All the other posts reflect my feelings.

Thought Alan Tait was insightful.

Hope Dave Rennie is sending 4 SQ NZ'rs over for next season.

Any inside knowledge from one of my old stomping grounds Malleny Park re the prospects of Ben Robbins (is the Honky Tonk still there?)


This. At least in the bad old days we had a bit team spirit and could laugh about the ups and downs.

I still fully believe this has been the SRUs responsibility with the appointment af a sequence of dreadful coaches some of which only so well illustrated the SRUs gravy train policy. Why for example is hodge being retained in any capacity? Accepting failure? In addition the signing and in particular the extension of players clearly not up to it.

Sport is normally cyclical but we've only had downs for the last 8-9 seasons. I'm not going to the Glasgow away game. This will be the first one I've missed ever. I just don't have the energy anymore to support a team that puts in performances that get more embarrassing for us to be laughed at by their bandwagoners.

It ain't going to get better, results wise, anytime soon
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Re: Edinburgh v Scarlets (Away) Fri 24 Mar 2017

Postby Le Jock Sportif on Sat Mar 25, 2017 10:53 am

I recently "returned to the fold" (purely because of the move to Myreside and the fact it's a 10-minute walk to be honest) but the rugby has been abject. I dont think the underlying reasons have really changed from when I/we used to debate them ad nauseam here all those years ago so you'll be delighted to hear I won't repeat them. Sure, there will be short term factors and decisions that influence things, but stability and consistency are major factors and are what I reckon are a large part of Glasgows success. Maybe Cockerill is the start here but I doubt he's got the ammunition to do it. Maybe the players can prove me wrong.
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Re: Edinburgh v Scarlets (Away) Fri 24 Mar 2017

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Sat Mar 25, 2017 11:09 am

Watched the game this morning and christ I wish I hadn't.

The coaches need to go. I'm as big of an advocate for Cockers as you'll see on the forum and I like what he said about getting the coaches around the table and asking what Edinburgh should be. But these coaches should not be making that decision - they're treated Edinburgh as a no accountability gravy train and that is wholly unacceptable.

Get Dalziel in who showed some promise with the under 20s and Roddy Grant who never shirked in an Edinburgh shirt, I'm sure Ben Cairns can look after the attack - done a lot of good with Currie and another Edinburgh guy.
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Re: Edinburgh v Scarlets (Away) Fri 24 Mar 2017

Postby royc on Sat Mar 25, 2017 2:08 pm

Edinburgh poor, bordering on clueless at times in the first half, fortunately Scarlets bumbled away in the second half, particularly after Patchell went off, or it could have been a bit of a rout.

There are a number of obvious issues and problems with Edinburgh's play, most of which can be solved, but the time for tinkering is surely over.

That was a pretty decent pack, with 4 international caps among the starters and two more on the bench. Yet they were marginal or second best in about every facet of play - breakdown, maul, lineout, scrum. Yes, they definitely lack on-field leadership and made a few howlers, but the lack of drive and determination says a lot about how they are being coached. I don't think the forwards coach is really cutting it.

I refrained from commenting on the team line-up rather than be negative before the game. But my heart sank to see Chris Dean out at 13, up against Jonathan Davies and Liam Williams coming in off his wing. Dean could be a good inside centre, if properly coached, but he has nowhere near the speed to play at 13. That is why the attack will falter and he will be outpaced in defence. Not his fault he's playing out of position, blame whoever chose the posse of centres. Glenn Bryce is probably the best bet at 13 just now, but the coaching of the backs in attack is pretty dismal. Hoyland and Kinghorn both looked well short of their best, neither of the scrum halves seem able to pass the ball, now Fowles is regressing while SHC is not advancing- Whatever the backs coaching team is doing really isn't working at all.

The defence was equally poor, you could almost say what defence? Davies, Patchell and Liam Williams were running through it with ease, positioning, alignment, line speed were all out at sea. Wilkins is the defence coach and once again the defence was pretty unferwhelming, bordering on embarrassing at times.

Are the players actually good enough? Not really as a squad, they need half a dozen very good signings to be at the races. Looking at Scarlets three-quarters with Williams, Davies, Parkes, Patchell and even Stef Evans, that is about a league ahead of Edinburgh.

Agree with all the comments about coaches, I just don't see any of them being part of the solution going forward. SJ and the SRU may be hoping that Cockerill can knock them into shape, but that is quite a burden on the HC, the assistant coaches are meant to be there to help and input their specialist knowledge, not as trainees who need to be carried.

SJ and SRU also need to look seriously at the squad strength, it is clearly deficient in a number of positions and bringing in a few more journeymen, inevitably in the backs, will not solve anything.
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Re: Edinburgh v Scarlets (Away) Fri 24 Mar 2017

Postby germain on Sun Mar 26, 2017 12:51 pm

Now we know that if Solomons finished 9th during his last year, it was due to Hodge's influence 8) :roll: Without Hodge, he would have finished 8th! Let's hope he will have the same destiny. :P
You can also note that Hidalgo-Clyne's drama began during the world cup's preparation when he was working under a certain back coach: Hodge!
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