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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby The Feral Goat on Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:10 am

From Hodge

"He’s a hugely talented player but just hasn’t had much of an opportunity. "

"People know he is a very talented player. He’s got a great skill set so it will be good to see him play tomorrow"

But Hodge you were head coach for most of the season if he is such a talent with such a good skill set why not pick him and give him the opportunity?

"And with hooker, like nines and tens, they are very specialist positions. Hooking’s their one job so if there are no injuries you can struggle to get game time"

Why is hooker so different, why need an injury to others to get a chance?

Turner is presumably at training so knows he has to hook and throw so is Hodge saying for a hooker his actual hooking and throwing is not good enough (their one job) or he is not training well enough to earn the chance, but other aspects of his game are very good?

All about as clear and decisive as one of our backs move
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby joe soap on Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:16 am

Tichtheid wrote:Hardie's contract started in late October 2015, I'm probably being pedantic, but does two years mean two years in his case?


when do SH players usually sign until? It would normally be season based and I can't see why Hardie should be any different unless he always intended to go back to the SH
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby joe soap on Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:28 am

The Feral Goat wrote:From Hodge

"He’s a hugely talented player but just hasn’t had much of an opportunity. "

"People know he is a very talented player. He’s got a great skill set so it will be good to see him play tomorrow"

But Hodge you were head coach for most of the season if he is such a talent with such a good skill set why not pick him and give him the opportunity?

"And with hooker, like nines and tens, they are very specialist positions. Hooking’s their one job so if there are no injuries you can struggle to get game time"

Why is hooker so different, why need an injury to others to get a chance?

Turner is presumably at training so knows he has to hook and throw so is Hodge saying for a hooker his actual hooking and throwing is not good enough (their one job) or he is not training well enough to earn the chance, but other aspects of his game are very good?

All about as clear and decisive as one of our backs move



it is gibberish isn't it.
Often it does need an injury but if a player is showing in training etc that he is as good as the competition then rotation is sensible. Of course if the player does not show he is good enough then only injury gets him a chance.

As to hooking being their one job, well that's Fordy out to grass if that came from Cockerill!
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby germain on Fri Apr 28, 2017 9:44 am

We've finally found some use to the last two games :D . We're making video tapes for Cockerill where must feature players who were not on any tapes previously :lol:.
This is George Turner's time! That's why we've seen a bit of Fihaki recently too 8).
Unfortunately, it's only for the forwards: Tofilau and Northam won't have their video tapes :P
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby dolf_lundgren on Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:30 am

Not necessarily a bad thing, the players need t understand that next season starts now and its not acceptable to wonder through these games and expect to pick it up again in the summer.

Many of them are playing for their livelihood, something which has not looked obvious this season. If yo look at where players go from Edinburgh generally it is not a good thing to lose a contract here, if players want a career then they need to start earning it. The coaches have to take some of the blame but the players need to step up too.

This game and next week is not really about winning and losing it is about putting in a shift and working their socks off. If we lose due to a team outplaying us that's one thing, to lose because they wanted it more then its not acceptable.
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby Tichtheid on Fri Apr 28, 2017 10:46 am

joe soap wrote:
Tichtheid wrote:Hardie's contract started in late October 2015, I'm probably being pedantic, but does two years mean two years in his case?


when do SH players usually sign until? It would normally be season based and I can't see why Hardie should be any different unless he always intended to go back to the SH



Yeah, I get that his contract is probably what was left of last season and this, it's just that when I looked for the articles they all said two years as opposed to till the end of this season.

I'm not overly bothered, tbh, obviously he is a classy player, but his style means he is gong to get hurt and 13 league games plus 5 cup outings over the two seasons for us isn't a great return and we have a bit of depth in the back row (famous last words, eh?).
On the other hand, I can't imagine he is one of the ones strutting about thinking he's some sort of star, he strikes me as someone who would be as full on on the training paddock as he is on the field of play, so we would miss him if he were to move on.

If he does go I hope we spend the money on a quality midfield player, such as an injury-free Fruean.
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby germain on Fri Apr 28, 2017 12:23 pm

dolf_lundgren wrote:Not necessarily a bad thing, the players need t understand that next season starts now and its not acceptable to wonder through these games and expect to pick it up again in the summer.


Sure. Not a bad thing either to see that Cockerill is already working on our team.
It was quite a surprise to read the players Cockers named as promising for us: Watson (obvious), Bradbury (obvious), Ritchie (obvious) and... Carmichael (much less obvious). Interesting that he was only focussing on forwards too...

Tichtheid wrote:I'm not overly bothered, tbh, obviously he is a classy player, but his style means he is gong to get hurt and 13 league games plus 5 cup outings over the two seasons for us isn't a great return and we have a bit of depth in the back row (famous last words, eh?).


If Hardie stays, it could a hint (or not at all :D ) that Cockerts see Ritchie's future at 6.
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby The Feral Goat on Fri Apr 28, 2017 2:54 pm

He has mentioned Hoyland and Kinghorn in interviews as promising youngsters as well.

Don’t think Cockerill will be waiting for the videos surely he will be sitting in the sunny south of France tonight tuning into BBC Alba with a biere blonde to enjoy live Pro12 action 9th v 10th from a packed and raucous Myreside and not questioning his career direction one bit.
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby joe soap on Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:05 pm

Tichtheid wrote:I'm not overly bothered, tbh, obviously he is a classy player, but his style means he is gong to get hurt and 13 league games plus 5 cup outings over the two seasons for us isn't a great return


can't argue with that myself.
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby The Feral Goat on Fri Apr 28, 2017 3:32 pm

joe soap wrote:
Tichtheid wrote:I'm not overly bothered, tbh, obviously he is a classy player, but his style means he is gong to get hurt and 13 league games plus 5 cup outings over the two seasons for us isn't a great return


can't argue with that myself.


Appreciate Hardie only arrived after the RWC but anyone know how many games the likes of Ford or other regular internationals (if we have any) managed over the last 2 seasons for ER as a comparison, I am guessing about double maybe?
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby Tichtheid on Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:23 pm

The Feral Goat wrote:
joe soap wrote:
Tichtheid wrote:I'm not overly bothered, tbh, obviously he is a classy player, but his style means he is gong to get hurt and 13 league games plus 5 cup outings over the two seasons for us isn't a great return


can't argue with that myself.


Appreciate Hardie only arrived after the RWC but anyone know how many games the likes of Ford or other regular internationals (if we have any) managed over the last 2 seasons for ER as a comparison, I am guessing about double maybe?



Fordy played 20 league games and 9 cup outings over the two seasons, he's the only one who didn't suffer extended injury periods. Nel played 15 games for us last season, 6 this.

This is a good site for player stats, if you click on on "Profile" tab second from top right, you can search for any player

http://www.itsrugby.co.uk/player_3564.html
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby The Feral Goat on Fri Apr 28, 2017 4:43 pm

Thanks TH.
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby New Gunner on Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:31 pm

Really belongs on the squad thread, but as there's some Hardie contract chat here too:

https://www.pressreader.com/uk/scottish ... 1946820501
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby germain on Fri Apr 28, 2017 6:43 pm

The Feral Goat wrote:He has mentioned Hoyland and Kinghorn in interviews as promising youngsters as well.

Don’t think Cockerill will be waiting for the videos surely he will be sitting in the sunny south of France tonight tuning into BBC Alba with a biere blonde to enjoy live Pro12 action 9th v 10th from a packed and raucous Myreside and not questioning his career direction one bit.

:D

I forgot for Hoyland and Kinghorn :?.
But for the rest, I'm pretty sure Cockerill is fed up with the pastis and his mad boss!
He surely dreams of this small club up in the north where he will not suffer of heatwave or drought and where he will coach talented and hungry young men, and not some old past legends, tired of running 8).
He's already thinking that after winning Pro12 and challenge Cup next year with us, he'll be very hightly esteemed and will have international opportunity post 2019 :D
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Re: Dragons - 28/4/17

Postby Jockybadger on Fri Apr 28, 2017 8:23 pm

So many unforced errors.

Weir is a shadow of the player he was @ Glasgow (& he was limited then)

A general lack of quality (especially at half back) make Edinburgh hard to watch....
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