Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

RaboDirect Pro12 & Heineken Match Discussion, Referee Retribution, and Player Powwow

Moderators: pedro52, chappo, Ron, Loops

Forum rules
The Edinburgh Rugby Supporters Club is run by fans for fans. Please keep your comments on topic and treat other posters with respect.

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:38 am

Wottie wrote:So question at 10am on Saturday morning. Would you rather be an Edinburgh Rugby or Springbok fan?


Edinburgh, the Springboks have been a proud rugby nation used to success, Edinburgh isn't a proud team or used to success so it's a lower perch to fall from.

I have a Saturday morning Q as well - after Cockers said that the internationals aren't performing - can anyone think of the last consistent Scotland cap to play up to their international standard for Edinburgh after being a consistent feature in the Scotland team? Only example I have is Dicko.
Friday Knight Lights
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 2654
Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby AuldLangTyne on Sat Sep 16, 2017 10:51 am

Watson last year
AuldLangTyne
International
 
Posts: 58
Joined: Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:03 am

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby Ayton1keith on Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:05 am

Agree with most that has been posted, but reality is we were and still are a bottom four team. Cockerill has said that this won't be an easy fix and he is here for the long haul to try and get Edinburgh Rugby to a better position than what we find ourselves in at the present time.
However, we have secured 10 points from the first three games of the season a target most supporters would have been happy with at the start of the season. This is certainly going to be a rollercoaster of a season but there has been a semblance of improvement (IMO), 8 tries scored and all by backs, speed and intensity in defence and the more professional looking warm up preparation to name just a few. Going to take time but I still believe RC will turn things around and I for one am looking forward to that day.
Ayton1keith
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 129
Joined: Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:39 pm

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby Wottie on Sat Sep 16, 2017 11:47 am

Friday Knight Lights wrote:I have a Saturday morning Q as well - after Cockers said that the internationals aren't performing - can anyone think of the last consistent Scotland cap to play up to their international standard for Edinburgh after being a consistent feature in the Scotland team? Only example I have is Dicko.


Agree on Watson in his breakthrough international season. I would add the post engagement law change and pre-injured Nel and Visser in the first couple of years of his international career before Solomons turned our outside channels into wastelands. Think we are then going back a bit to the likes of Mossey, Mickey Blair and Chainsaw. The point's therefore well made!
Bill Mata. The second coming?
"Commitment should not be commended, it should be expected really!"
Wottie
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 1694
Joined: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:57 pm
Location: Edinburgh

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby 02ict328 on Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:41 pm

Paterson, Blair and in particular Rennie
02ict328
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 243
Joined: Tue Feb 06, 2007 12:59 pm

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby Wottie on Sat Sep 16, 2017 12:45 pm

For those at the game who missed the post match on Sportsound, it's on this Podcast from 21 mins in. Includes Cocker's interview. Think the guys may be in training over the weekend!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05g7w7x

Wright calling out leadership, on pitch decision making and Bradbury's appointment as skipper and it is difficult not to think that a Mike Coman would have done that last 10 minutes differently. The only voice I could hear throughout the game was Fruean's. Disco makes an excellent point about the end of the game. It was plain for all to see that Wilkinson would rather chew tinfoil than make any form of big decision, the ball had to go wide.
Bill Mata. The second coming?
"Commitment should not be commended, it should be expected really!"
Wottie
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 1694
Joined: Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:57 pm
Location: Edinburgh

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby The Feral Goat on Sat Sep 16, 2017 1:43 pm

Saw this on facebook
http://www.edinburghrugby.org/edinburgh-rugby-camps

Think the current squad could benefit and may get a group discount, downside kids may show them up.
The Feral Goat
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 3061
Joined: Mon Jul 21, 2014 8:55 am

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:06 pm

Wottie wrote:
Friday Knight Lights wrote:I have a Saturday morning Q as well - after Cockers said that the internationals aren't performing - can anyone think of the last consistent Scotland cap to play up to their international standard for Edinburgh after being a consistent feature in the Scotland team? Only example I have is Dicko.


Agree on Watson in his breakthrough international season. I would add the post engagement law change and pre-injured Nel and Visser in the first couple of years of his international career before Solomons turned our outside channels into wastelands. Think we are then going back a bit to the likes of Mossey, Mickey Blair and Chainsaw. The point's therefore well made!


Two games in but Watson has been MIA this year - as has Toolis.

Nel is generally better for Scotland but I take your point, Visser is a good example. Maybe another one is Matt Scott? Who has gone up a level since leaving.

But it very much seems internationals just get a cap and decent time with Scotland they stagnate/decline for Edinburgh. Doesn't happen at other clubs. Glasgow for example the only player I can think of who does it is Stuart Hogg but he was class for Glasgow for a long time.

Sure you have examples of meh players who aren't international class but have caps (Weir, SHC, Kennedy, Berghan, Hoyland etc). But what about Ford, Toolis, Gilcrhist, Watson, Hardie, Bradbury, du Preez who all are top players?! It is a real problem that Cockers touched on last night saying internationals just don't perform for Edinburgh.

It is time to let them go, they aren't scared of losing to Zebre/Treviso. They can do that and next month they'll still be in Scotland camp. Pathetic attitude.
Friday Knight Lights
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 2654
Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:08 pm

Crichton Gunner wrote:Disappointing display, no one can deny. Not entirely surprising that we haven't become a good side in the space of a couple of months, and the problems of last season were there to see again tonight, especially in the second half. Cockers has said that we'll have some bad results along the way, and whilst he may not have expected it against Treviso, I have to hope this was just one of those nights. Any momentum we were building has gone now, and with 2 very difficult fixtures coming up our season could start unraveling unless the team can bounce back. Testing times ahead.


He said that because it's a young team, you can accuse last nights side of a lot of things but not lacking in experience. Kinghorn is the youngest but close to 50 Edinburgh appearances and he's still making brainless errors. Bradbury, Dean, Hoyland are all young okay but all have played a lot of rugby.

Time for Cockers to walk the walk when it comes to his chat about young players. Play them and soon!
Friday Knight Lights
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 2654
Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby gowrie on Sat Sep 16, 2017 2:52 pm

In a way it's good that there weren't that many new guys out there. It takes away that excuse completely, and if a team as experienced as that is that poor, what reasons are left not to begin a real wholesale uprooting of the team?

It's a tough ask for young players to go away to Scarlets, but is there any chance any team we send down there won't be slaughtered? Fenton, Carmichael, Hunter-Hill, Miller, Fraser, Baggott, Johnstone/McCann could be around for years, and might actually form a team that knows how to win more than twice in a row.
gowrie
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 1256
Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2015 10:31 am

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby Pitfitter on Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:33 pm

Keeping it simple- TonySpreadbury poor all round, thankfully away for the next two and I won't have the journey home after the game should this style continue.
Pitfitter
 

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby macdone on Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:39 pm

Our recruitment is shocking. Rasolea, Mata, Weir, K Bryce, Marfo, Harries - wtf. Meanwhile, Glasgow get Huw Jones, Gibbins, Masaga. They add Matawalu and Jackson to half backs that are already miles better than ours.

Unfortunately CdP has lost it and needs replaced. Ford and McInally need dropped, Bradbury too.
macdone
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 412
Joined: Sun Jun 21, 2015 3:16 am

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby dolf_lundgren on Sat Sep 16, 2017 4:57 pm

macdone wrote:Our recruitment is shocking. Rasolea, Mata, Weir, K Bryce, Marfo, Harries - wtf. Meanwhile, Glasgow get Huw Jones, Gibbins, Masaga. They add Matawalu and Jackson to half backs that are already miles better than ours.

Unfortunately CdP has lost it and needs replaced. Ford and McInally need dropped, Bradbury too.


Think you are being a bit selective there, you are missing out Fruean & Manu and Glasgow have had some pretty ordinary players too, albeit they tend to have settled and improved rather than stagnated. Inculding Turner & Allan. Bear in mind Aluanese, Peterson, Grigg, Johnson were not big names, they also took Hart from us and it didn't work, so no-one gets it right all the time. They also have a bigger budget due to Euro success, more ticket sales etc. We have chosen to pay big for the likes of Manu and Fruean and then fill the squad with lesser players. We will also have paid out a fair chunk to keep hold of Nel, Dickinson etc.
dolf_lundgren
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 2505
Joined: Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:40 pm

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:13 pm

macdone wrote:Our recruitment is shocking. Rasolea, Mata, Weir, K Bryce, Marfo, Harries - wtf. Meanwhile, Glasgow get Huw Jones, Gibbins, Masaga. They add Matawalu and Jackson to half backs that are already miles better than ours.

Unfortunately CdP has lost it and needs replaced. Ford and McInally need dropped, Bradbury too.


Matawalu hasn't shown anything yet. But people want to play for Glasgow at they are challenging for the league and in the CC and have Rennie and have world class players and a great culture - why would you want to sign for Edinburgh?!

And we did get Bennett. Recruitment isn't to blame, it's all attitude. Glasgow made some amazing signings of complete unknowns 4/5/6 years ago but they were built on good coaching and young hungry Scots with experienced players ready to put their face to the fire to be part of something special. Cockers would do well to start playing the kids and gut check the senior ones, it is the only way to stop the rot.
Friday Knight Lights
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 2654
Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:44 pm

Re: Edinburgh v Treviso Friday 15 Sep 19:35 @ Myreside

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Sat Sep 16, 2017 5:26 pm

gowrie wrote:In a way it's good that there weren't that many new guys out there. It takes away that excuse completely, and if a team as experienced as that is that poor, what reasons are left not to begin a real wholesale uprooting of the team?

It's a tough ask for young players to go away to Scarlets, but is there any chance any team we send down there won't be slaughtered? Fenton, Carmichael, Hunter-Hill, Miller, Fraser, Baggott, Johnstone/McCann could be around for years, and might actually form a team that knows how to win more than twice in a row.


There is no reason not to gut the squad, we've seen quite enough of Ford and Cochrane lose to Italian sides. Let see what Fenton can do. Fowles and SHC whatever, Fraser was under20 team of the year 9 in 2016, let's see what you can do. Berghan nice one - McCallum it's your time.
Friday Knight Lights
World Cup Star
 
Posts: 2654
Joined: Sun Nov 01, 2015 8:44 pm

PreviousNext

Return to Edinburgh Rugby Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 39 guests