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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby biffer on Sun Oct 22, 2017 10:24 am

zt1903 wrote:Sunday Times saying that his offence is Bath-end-of-season-partyesque.


Yeah, they're alleging Cocaine use, but he hasn't failed a test. Which suggests that someone might have seen him and reported it through management.
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby artie fufkin on Sun Oct 22, 2017 11:57 am

If it is a substance abuse issue he should be supported by his employers through it. Not good for his career though
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:22 pm

artie fufkin wrote:If it is a substance abuse issue he should be supported by his employers through it. Not good for his career though


That's the bizarre thing, it wasn't a failed test just a tip off but the SRU felt the need to very publically say he's suspended and being investigated. Could've kept the investigation quiet...
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby zt1903 on Sun Oct 22, 2017 12:35 pm

RFU has two such cases earlier this year.

£5k fine and rehab programme.

SRU has form for going full on medieval when disciplining our own.
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby macdone on Sun Oct 22, 2017 8:28 pm

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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby BigD163 on Mon Oct 23, 2017 1:12 am

I would hope the SRU consult UKAD and go through the correct process if the speculation is true. If thstv means a ban then so be it.
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby dolf_lundgren on Mon Oct 23, 2017 5:05 pm

While we don't know the details this does seem to be a very heavy handed and public way of dealing with this. The modern way of handling these sort of things is to support the player, not tar and feather them in the press.

Whilst in danger of sounding flippant, this isn't actually all that bad, I was thinking it was much worse. Unless there are further details to come out in the future.
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby royc on Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:07 pm

Well we don't know the whole story. But this looks awfully like a 'damage limitation' exercise by the PR men (or most likely man in this case) at the SRU. Terrified of being scooped by some tabloid, you pre-empt the story by going public, positioning yourselves as the the vigilant keeper of the holy grail and thereby side-stepping any incoming that might conceivably glance somewhere near our hallowed HQ.

It is generally a flawed strategy, all that happens is that the press report and magnify your statement, as here, and it suddenly becomes national news. The problem is the collateral damage to the player's career, to the club left without a key player, to the national side with very likely no specialist openside for the AIs, and all before, as far as we know it, the jury is even in.

It would have been far more sensible to leave it to Cockerill, who is after all the head of department for Edinburgh players, to handle behind closed doors and impose whatever sanctions he felt necessary and call on whatever support he thought was needed, it wouldn't be the first player issue he has had to deal with, rather than the PR boys rushing off at the mouth.

Poor, disappointing, flawed and counter-productive handling IMO.
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby biffer on Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:54 pm

royc wrote:Well we don't know the whole story. But this looks awfully like a 'damage limitation' exercise by the PR men (or most likely man in this case) at the SRU. Terrified of being scooped by some tabloid, you pre-empt the story by going public, positioning yourselves as the the vigilant keeper of the holy grail and thereby side-stepping any incoming that might conceivably glance somewhere near our hallowed HQ.



Please do not call it HQ. Makes us all sound like Twickenham ChristopheBerdos wannabes
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby dolf_lundgren on Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:22 pm

From the Cockers quotes, it might be him who has had the heavy handed approach in an effort to make a point.

Agree though that is does seem unfair on the player to sully their name so openly.
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby royc on Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:25 pm

biffer wrote:
royc wrote:Well we don't know the whole story. But this looks awfully like a 'damage limitation' exercise by the PR men (or most likely man in this case) at the SRU. Terrified of being scooped by some tabloid, you pre-empt the story by going public, positioning yourselves as the the vigilant keeper of the holy grail and thereby side-stepping any incoming that might conceivably glance somewhere near our hallowed HQ.



Please do not call it HQ. Makes us all sound like Twickenham ChristopheBerdos wannabes


It is the hallowed HQ in the PR MEN'S eyes, not necessarily those of anyone else!

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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:45 pm

dolf_lundgren wrote:From the Cockers quotes, it might be him who has had the heavy handed approach in an effort to make a point.

Agree though that is does seem unfair on the player to sully their name so openly.


I thought the only possible reason to make such a song and dance about this was to make a point. But I doubt Cockers has the authority to torpedo a Scotland players career, the SRU must've backed releasing a statement for some reason.

A real shame for Hardie, how will other players react to having dirty laundry aired in public?
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby The Feral Goat on Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:06 pm

SRU would be damned either way, they were accused of a cover up over the Bradbury case and doing the opposite with Hardie they are getting grief as well.

Still no real information on Hardie we have no idea how this came to the SRU attention. Could Hardie, in light of the Bradbury incident, realised he had a problem and gone to Cockers or someone else in mgmt for help? Conversely Dodson may have been sent a photo/video of Hardie snorting coke off Dodsons wife KelvinDeaker (I have no idea if he in fact married) we don't know.

Once the facts are known I hope it gets resolved professionally, the fact no drug test has been failed I would expect Hardie to still have a rugby career, it may end up not being with ER or Scotland, but I am sure he will come through this.
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby New Gunner on Mon Oct 23, 2017 9:58 pm

http://www.scotsman.com/sport/rugby-uni ... -1-4594040

Scotsman suggests a 'concerned individual' got in touch about Hardie, also that he had a meeting with the SRU before the announcement. Also that the squad weren't told in advance of the announcement.

All in all, just a sad state of affairs if true. We had a chat round the dinner table last night, Mrs NG thinks he should be sacked, I can't make up my mind. But we were also explaining it to the mini NGs. Have always argued how the rugby players are far better role models than footballers, however the reality is that the lines are blurring rapidly (pardon the pun) as salaries rise and the money men take over.

Like I said, I can't decide whether Hardie should be sacked, or reprimanded but supported through this if the allegations are true. Either way, a little bit of the rugby ethos 'sheen' is tarnished.
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Re: Hardie Suspension

Postby joe soap on Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:55 pm

The Feral Goat wrote:SRU would be damned either way, they were accused of a cover up over the Bradbury case and doing the opposite with Hardie they are getting grief as well.

Still no real information on Hardie we have no idea how this came to the SRU attention. Could Hardie, in light of the Bradbury incident, realised he had a problem and gone to Cockers or someone else in mgmt for help? Conversely Dodson may have been sent a photo/video of Hardie snorting coke off Dodsons wife KelvinDeaker (I have no idea if he in fact married) we don't know.

Once the facts are known I hope it gets resolved professionally, the fact no drug test has been failed I would expect Hardie to still have a rugby career, it may end up not being with ER or Scotland, but I am sure he will come through this.



I think this is a well balance post.

To pick up on a coupe of points others have made, it is frankly naive to think this could all be hushed up, no questions asked. Naive in the extreme. And the very worst sort of trying to cover up. Honesty and as open as is sensibly possible without prejudice to the case is spot on for me.No one going to notice his absence or ask why this week or next or for however long it takes? (and it will take as long as it takes I hope, properly and thoroughly and fairly carried out.

As to having his name sullied, if he is cleared then it won't be. As far as I can tell the SRU statement was professional and made no mention of drugs or anything bar an internal disciplinary enquiry.

I take on board a couple of views that this (if rumours true and proved) maybe isn't a hanging offence; on the other hand how long did Matt Stevens get? 2 years is I think the answer. I would be torn between supporting and counselling a player back to in due course, but then again there is a need to make clear drug taking is not acceptable, and goodness knows the culture etc at Edinburgh has had enough problems. But this last para is assuming guilt, which is wrong as we know AlanLewis all about the case.

Its shut up now and let it run its course. And wish Hardie well
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