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dolf_lundgren wrote:I'm pretty relaxed about this, If he was deemed to be better than Boyle then it makes sense to move him and get him game time. What's the point in having a great young player in the stand? We are well stocked at 7 and will be for a while yet. Suppose the only thing it coudl have done was brign him in and let Watson or Ritchie go to free up some resource for elsewhere in the squad. Always a tricky balance in Scotland.
Im probably more concerned with the likes of Chamberlain who have stalled a bit. I was hoping te S6 woudl give him the minutes and platform to kick on a bit hopefully that happens next year.
robdinsdale wrote:Friday Knight Lights wrote:JDCSR wrote:I think it just came down to both him and Boyle being very promising prospects and it getting to the point where we were barely going to give any gametime to one let alone both. And Boyle being preferred to keep on at the time.
Massive credit to Darge for what he's done at Glasgow, Gordon is nae bad and takes some doing to keep him out the side.
I wonder if Boyle could be as good if he had a half dozen starts.
Boyle has played and never really shown too much. Whereas Darge was motm on his first match for Glasgow! Maybe Boyle will one day be a great player. But Darge was immediately obviously a special player. I agree Tom Gordon is great but he's miles away from Darge. It's hard to see anything but pretty awful management from the Edinburgh coaches at the time.
Hindsight is amazing but I don't think you will find many coaches who would look much further than rotating between Watson, Richie and Crosbie if they had those options. The first two are legitimately class on the international stage and Crosbie is an absolute trooper.
Darge has taken his chance well at Glasgow, but they played him because they were struggling to get a back row on the pitch at times last season, not because they were making a choice to invest in his development.
dolf_lundgren wrote:I'm pretty relaxed about this, If he was deemed to be better than Boyle then it makes sense to move him and get him game time. What's the point in having a great young player in the stand? We are well stocked at 7 and will be for a while yet. Suppose the only thing it coudl have done was brign him in and let Watson or Ritchie go to free up some resource for elsewhere in the squad. Always a tricky balance in Scotland.
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JDCSR wrote:Friday Knight Lights wrote:JDCSR wrote:I think it just came down to both him and Boyle being very promising prospects and it getting to the point where we were barely going to give any gametime to one let alone both. And Boyle being preferred to keep on at the time.
Massive credit to Darge for what he's done at Glasgow, Gordon is nae bad and takes some doing to keep him out the side.
I wonder if Boyle could be as good if he had a half dozen starts.
Boyle has played and never really shown too much. Whereas Darge was motm on his first match for Glasgow! Maybe Boyle will one day be a great player. But Darge was immediately obviously a special player. I agree Tom Gordon is great but he's miles away from Darge. It's hard to see anything but pretty awful management from the Edinburgh coaches at the time.
Boyle was a better player for the under 20s, though as above Darge was coming back from a bad injury and was played at 8 to accommodate Boyle at 7.
Gordon also isn't miles away from Darge, the former was by some distance Glasgow's best player last season and Darge has had to be bloody good to keep him out.
Fair play to Darge, he's been superb and it certainly looks a clanger from Edinburgh for letting him go but would he have got any more gametime here than Boyle has with Watson, Crosbie and Ritchie all options at 7? Come on now.
I'd call it great management from the SRU making the call that got him into Glasgow's 7 shirt. Part of being the bigger brother is that you sometimes have to share your things.
The Chiel wrote:dolf_lundgren wrote:I'm pretty relaxed about this, If he was deemed to be better than Boyle then it makes sense to move him and get him game time. What's the point in having a great young player in the stand? We are well stocked at 7 and will be for a while yet. Suppose the only thing it coudl have done was brign him in and let Watson or Ritchie go to free up some resource for elsewhere in the squad. Always a tricky balance in Scotland.
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Whilst absolutely acknowledging it's the silly season, rugby365 are rumouring Bill Mata to Bristol. Although every agent and their brother are referencing Bristol for their players.
Whilst this borders on heresy, if true it could be argued it would free up cash, a back row place, and he's 30 and has been injury prone. Against that - well, he's Bill Mata !
Friday Knight Lights wrote:I don't remember ever thinking one was much better than the other.
JDCSR wrote:Friday Knight Lights wrote:I don't remember ever thinking one was much better than the other.
It's all very easy in hindsight but perhaps the Edinburgh coaches feel exactly the same as you did prior to his move to Glasgow.
Friday Knight Lights wrote:JDCSR wrote:Friday Knight Lights wrote:I don't remember ever thinking one was much better than the other.
It's all very easy in hindsight but perhaps the Edinburgh coaches feel exactly the same as you did prior to his move to Glasgow.
The Edinburgh coaches have a huge amount more information though. They see them daily in training, they have all the stats and data, they're professionals most importantly. If all the coaches did was watch an under20s game occasionally fair enough.
It's a concern of mine that someone so good from day 1 just never got a look in here. It's not like Darge left and after a year or two hit this level, he hit it a week or two after leaving! It's clearly an issue in talent identification. Hopefully the blame lies squarely with Cockers but would want to know Lawrie's thoughts on this.
The Chiel wrote:dolf_lundgren wrote:I'm pretty relaxed about this, If he was deemed to be better than Boyle then it makes sense to move him and get him game time. What's the point in having a great young player in the stand? We are well stocked at 7 and will be for a while yet. Suppose the only thing it coudl have done was brign him in and let Watson or Ritchie go to free up some resource for elsewhere in the squad. Always a tricky balance in Scotland.
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Whilst absolutely acknowledging it's the silly season, rugby365 are rumouring Bill Mata to Bristol. Although every agent and their brother are referencing Bristol for their players.
Whilst this borders on heresy, if true it could be argued it would free up cash, a back row place, and he's 30 and has been injury prone. Against that - well, he's Bill Mata !
dolf_lundgren wrote:The same Wilson and Glasgow who let Sykes go? (may have been Rennie actually)
No coaches get them all right and players develop at different stages, this sort of thing happens all the time. Glasgow have been crying out for a qulity 7 for a few years, for all Gibbons and Gordon were talked up they were never in the top bracket. Im surprised how good Darge has been, maybe the shift was just at the right time, to he right team to give him that lift.
You could argue in terms of signings we took the likes of Haining who was a journeyman player and made him international standard, Venter looks to be progressing really well, so it is swings and roundabouts.
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