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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby robdinsdale on Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:10 pm

The Feral Goat wrote:
dolf_lundgren wrote:Shamlessly stolen from the Glasgow forum...

Big Bill mk11??

https://www.fbcnews.com.fj/sports/seven ... ugby-club/



Looks a handy player form the below...perhaps to be deployed in midfield rather than back row. Could be a very interesting addition if it comes to fruition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi_eloLLAAI


I wonder where he would end up playing. Says online that he's a number 8 but then Big Bill was meant to be a 4/6.
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby disco on Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:29 pm

robdinsdale wrote:
The Feral Goat wrote:
dolf_lundgren wrote:Shamlessly stolen from the Glasgow forum...

Big Bill mk11??

https://www.fbcnews.com.fj/sports/seven ... ugby-club/



Looks a handy player form the below...perhaps to be deployed in midfield rather than back row. Could be a very interesting addition if it comes to fruition.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hi_eloLLAAI


I wonder where he would end up playing. Says online that he's a number 8 but then Big Bill was meant to be a 4/6.

He's played lock for Fiji in the Pacific Challenge Cup.
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby dolf_lundgren on Wed Mar 13, 2019 2:45 pm

He does seem to be coming in to a position of relative strength, looks like a back row. Suppose that means no deal for Hamilton and Nayolo on his way?

We could really do with a Fijian magician in the centre or back 3.
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby The Feral Goat on Mon Mar 18, 2019 2:55 pm

Bhatti confirmed on a 2yr deal.

Good bit of business for us.
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby Weegie on Mon Mar 18, 2019 9:05 pm

The Feral Goat wrote:Bhatti confirmed on a 2yr deal.

Good bit of business for us.


Story is there was very little between the financial offers, but Bhatti sees the coaching at Edinburgh as more beneficial to his long term playing career. Things are changing at Glasgow so Glasgow coaching could become equally good, but given the choice between a certainty and a maybe he has gone with the certainty
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby BigD163 on Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:03 am

Weegie wrote:
The Feral Goat wrote:Bhatti confirmed on a 2yr deal.

Good bit of business for us.


Story is there was very little between the financial offers, but Bhatti sees the coaching at Edinburgh as more beneficial to his long term playing career. Things are changing at Glasgow so Glasgow coaching could become equally good, but given the choice between a certainty and a maybe he has gone with the certainty


What is changing in the Glasgow set up? Can we send them Hodge?
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Tue Mar 19, 2019 10:25 am

BigD163 wrote:
Weegie wrote:
The Feral Goat wrote:Bhatti confirmed on a 2yr deal.

Good bit of business for us.


Story is there was very little between the financial offers, but Bhatti sees the coaching at Edinburgh as more beneficial to his long term playing career. Things are changing at Glasgow so Glasgow coaching could become equally good, but given the choice between a certainty and a maybe he has gone with the certainty


What is changing in the Glasgow set up? Can we send them Hodge?


Humph is out and Dalziel in. The Dalziel moves don't make much sense fwiw Melrose - under20s great but then how does sevens coaching help with your coaching of forwards? Shows the real lack of a pathway.

Whereas Hodge hasn't shown anything but is kept despite some interesting options at club level.
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby biffer on Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:12 pm

Friday Knight Lights wrote:
BigD163 wrote:
Weegie wrote:
Story is there was very little between the financial offers, but Bhatti sees the coaching at Edinburgh as more beneficial to his long term playing career. Things are changing at Glasgow so Glasgow coaching could become equally good, but given the choice between a certainty and a maybe he has gone with the certainty


What is changing in the Glasgow set up? Can we send them Hodge?


Humph is out and Dalziel in. The Dalziel moves don't make much sense fwiw Melrose - under20s great but then how does sevens coaching help with your coaching of forwards? Shows the real lack of a pathway.

Whereas Hodge hasn't shown anything but is kept despite some interesting options at club level.


McRae's time with the sevens has developed him into a fine defensive coach.
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Tue Mar 19, 2019 5:46 pm

biffer wrote:
Friday Knight Lights wrote:
BigD163 wrote:
What is changing in the Glasgow set up? Can we send them Hodge?


Humph is out and Dalziel in. The Dalziel moves don't make much sense fwiw Melrose - under20s great but then how does sevens coaching help with your coaching of forwards? Shows the real lack of a pathway.

Whereas Hodge hasn't shown anything but is kept despite some interesting options at club level.


McRae's time with the sevens has developed him into a fine defensive coach.


Makes sense though as there is so much focus on space and defending in 7s.

There's very little focus of scrum and lineout technique.
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby robdinsdale on Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:44 pm

Is it him, Cockers or Roddy who is responsible for the breakdown work? We are generally quite smart about that these days.
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby Tichtheid on Tue Mar 19, 2019 8:07 pm

robdinsdale wrote:Is it him, Cockers or Roddy who is responsible for the breakdown work? We are generally quite smart about that these days.



I don’t know who is directly responsible for the breakdown coaching, it could be a shared thing, but this is why I was so excited about Barclay coming to us, he is world class in that area and the younger players like Ritchie, Bradbury, Crosbie etc will learn sp much from seeing what he does in a live situation, you pick up so much more from that than drills on the training ground.

This takes nothing away from Watson’s work, he is excellent too, but I just feel Barclay is a vastly underrated player which might sound strange given the esteem his is held in
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby biffer on Tue Mar 19, 2019 9:12 pm

Tichtheid wrote:
robdinsdale wrote:Is it him, Cockers or Roddy who is responsible for the breakdown work? We are generally quite smart about that these days.



I don’t know who is directly responsible for the breakdown coaching, it could be a shared thing, but this is why I was so excited about Barclay coming to us, he is world class in that area and the younger players like Ritchie, Bradbury, Crosbie etc will learn sp much from seeing what he does in a live situation, you pick up so much more from that than drills on the training ground.

This takes nothing away from Watson’s work, he is excellent too, but I just feel Barclay is a vastly underrated player which might sound strange given the esteem his is held in


Cockers specialism is breakdown. That's why Roddy was on to a good thing as an assistant, learning how to coach it alongside Cockers.
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby The Chiel on Tue Mar 19, 2019 11:12 pm

Friday Knight Lights wrote:
Humph is out and Dalziel in. The Dalziel moves don't make much sense fwiw Melrose - under20s great but then how does sevens coaching help with your coaching of forwards? Shows the real lack of a pathway.



Dalziel had an excellent season as the LS forwards coach before moving on to the 7s - Grant was there at the same time. I wouldn't completely dismiss the 7s from a forwards point of view, although I accept most of the shapes are different !
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Wed Mar 20, 2019 8:35 am

The Chiel wrote:
Friday Knight Lights wrote:
Humph is out and Dalziel in. The Dalziel moves don't make much sense fwiw Melrose - under20s great but then how does sevens coaching help with your coaching of forwards? Shows the real lack of a pathway.



Dalziel had an excellent season as the LS forwards coach before moving on to the 7s - Grant was there at the same time. I wouldn't completely dismiss the 7s from a forwards point of view, although I accept most of the shapes are different !


Yeah I've no doubts he is an excellent coach and his progression through the pathways made a lot of sense right up until he went to the 7s.

If I'm a Glasgow fan I'm concerned he's the forwards coach after two years with the sevens where forward play is last of your concerns.

Defence/attack coach a spell with the sevens makes a lot of sense. I'm surprised Cairns hasn't been involved more.
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Re: Squad 19/20

Postby biffer on Wed Mar 20, 2019 9:04 pm

Friday Knight Lights wrote:
The Chiel wrote:
Friday Knight Lights wrote:
Humph is out and Dalziel in. The Dalziel moves don't make much sense fwiw Melrose - under20s great but then how does sevens coaching help with your coaching of forwards? Shows the real lack of a pathway.



Dalziel had an excellent season as the LS forwards coach before moving on to the 7s - Grant was there at the same time. I wouldn't completely dismiss the 7s from a forwards point of view, although I accept most of the shapes are different !


Yeah I've no doubts he is an excellent coach and his progression through the pathways made a lot of sense right up until he went to the 7s.

If I'm a Glasgow fan I'm concerned he's the forwards coach after two years with the sevens where forward play is last of your concerns.

Defence/attack coach a spell with the sevens makes a lot of sense. I'm surprised Cairns hasn't been involved more.


Coaching forwards has a number of aspects, only one of which you can be a specialist in.

You can be a forwards coach who coaches set piece.
You can be a forwards coach who coaches breakdown.
You can be a forwards coach who coaches defence.

Then you recruit specialist assistant coaches for the other areas. Sevens can refine coaching in breakdown and defence but not set piece. So the key is what specialist coaches are part of the team. Cockerill could coach sevens and the team would specialise in hitting every breakdown and disrupting /stealing ball. That is a viable tactic in sevens. McRae coached on defensive structure, that works in sevens. And in sevens these aspects are really exposed if they’re not executed with absolute accuracy. That’s the benefit of sevens - if you do it right it’s not just a development aid for open field running and how to beat a man. That would be an old fashioned, simplistic view of the form.
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