Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby Tichtheid on Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:06 pm

JDCSR wrote:
macdone wrote:
Friday Knight Lights wrote:We got marmalised by Glasgow. Fair play to them that was impressive.

Tom Gordon was in our academy ... We could've had Watson and his clone.


Yeah, as good as Barclay is we had Hamilton, Gordon and Boyle needing game time. Good luck to the weegies.


We've Darge and Mann as well who are both very highly rated. Darge is an openside like Boyle. Mann a bigger unit who is being bulked up Bradbury style.



What we need is clones of Price, G. Horne, Hastings, P. Horne, Johnson etc
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby germain on Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:30 pm

Tichtheid wrote:What we need is clones of Price, G. Horne, Hastings, P. Horne, Johnson etc


Edinburgh have loads of quality backs. Shiel was very good in a dispirited team. He sure is one for the future. What is needed is a better game plan and a probably better back coach IMO.

Cockerill has had excellent results but this bad end of season and the failure to qualify in Champions Cup must make him rethink his coaching staff.

Tichtheid wrote:The conference system was not popular in some parts and was roundly trounced, but the fact that going in to the last two games of the regular season three of the four teams involved are playing for something that will change their fortunes, as have almost everyone today, shows it works at that level at least.


I don't think so. European qualification system and the quarter final made all the interest of that end of season. Not the conference system.
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby JDCSR on Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:32 pm

Tichtheid wrote:What we need is clones of Price, G. Horne, Hastings, P. Horne, Johnson etc


Yep. Plenty of talent in the forwards but we are more in need of more Grahams and Kinghorns than Bradburys. Shiel looks decent but oh for a young and talented Scots stand off.
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby biffer on Sat Apr 27, 2019 11:24 pm

Well, that was pretty poor.

Massive disappointment not to be in the big cup next year.

But to consider this a bad season is to forget what a bad season really looks like. I remember those from Solomon and Bradley.

Build and progress next year, get back in the Heineken and the playoffs.
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby BruceLee on Sun Apr 28, 2019 1:44 am

biffer wrote:Well, that was pretty poor.

Massive disappointment not to be in the big cup next year.

But to consider this a bad season is to forget what a bad season really looks like. I remember those from Solomon and Bradley.

Build and progress next year, get back in the Heineken and the playoffs.

To be brutally honest, i have followed Edinburgh for close on 19 years and end results determine improvement or not.In that time i have only seen 3 seasons where we have finished in a decent position, just not good enough, that display for me suggests that something is fundamentaly wrong at Edinburgh,whether it be coaching,bad attitude or that some players are not up to scratch and if so should be shown the door and please could we ditch Pyrgos and Hodge and if we are in this posistion next year, Cockerill as well.
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:57 am

I don't think Hodge should stay however I don't think he's the only problem.

I think Cockers has to take responsibility for our league position this year. He's built a formidable (starting) pack and decent backline especially when Kinghorn is there. The mentality is a lot different and that chastening at Glasgow will be in his head all summer so unlucky those at preseason.

However, our away losses during the six nations were terrible and that was because the teams we put out had no experience. Last season instead of building depth in the challenge cup or Pro14 Cockers rolled the same teams every week. That was probably the right decision to get the mentality correct but I hope this time in the challenge cup we use it as a squad building exercise.

McCallum, H-H, Crosbie, Boyle/Darge, Shiel, Hutchison if he stays, Blain getting gametime as well as those of the fringes to build a squad that can play in the international breaks. No need to send Gilchrist and Kinghorn to Russia.
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby Pitfitter446 on Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:09 am

In the cold light of day I’m not sure what to say, we got humped, almost all Glasgow points were breakaways? we had possession but can’t get the last 2/3 yards it seems and no other plan, until I was too late, we need a 9 or at least give Sheil a decent amount of game time to prove himself, a 10 to match him, and some alternative to the “head on”game plan. Oh, and consistency, if we can’t win the “gimme” games there is no point in shock results at odd times. Off to sulk now over coffee.

Please someone tell I’m wrong/dreaming.
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby GaryIPA on Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:45 am

Pitfitter446 wrote:In the cold light of day I’m not sure what to say, we got humped, almost all Glasgow points were breakaways? we had possession but can’t get the last 2/3 yards it seems and no other plan, until I was too late, we need a 9 or at least give Sheil a decent amount of game time to prove himself, a 10 to match him, and some alternative to the “head on”game plan. Oh, and consistency, if we can’t win the “gimme” games there is no point in shock results at odd times. Off to sulk now over coffee.

Please someone tell I’m wrong/dreaming.



Not unreasonable, you can’t be in the 22 for 15 mins then get cut apart in 2. I’ve had it, not getting a ST next season which I’d thought about.wont be to many/any games, definitely not paying to watch a repeat of last night
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby GaryIPA on Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:47 am

As an aside I think £50 is a bit steep for a semi final ticket
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby Rasho on Sun Apr 28, 2019 9:29 am

Last 2 games really worry me, especially. We've had some bad results but generally when depleted. Last 2 games we had pretty strong teams and a reason to perform but didn't turn up. No aggression, soft in defence and no idea in attack. Can't continue on that vein...
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby The Chiel on Sun Apr 28, 2019 10:29 am

Again looked a tired team, needing some depth urgently.

A shame the abiding memory will be the forwards yet again flogging themselves inside the 5m area and not really looking like getting over the line - and nothing outside the forwards. The trips to France & Newcastle seem a very long time ago.

Telling that all Glasgow's back subs are imo better than Edinburgh's starters ( with the exception of DVDM - again underused ). And Glasgow could afford to send McDowell off to play for his club when he'd be a nailed on starter for Edinburgh. Shiel looked good when he came on, but 10, 12 and 13 are real problem areas ( and I know that's not news ).
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby BruceLee on Sun Apr 28, 2019 11:24 am

GaryIPA wrote:
Pitfitter446 wrote:In the cold light of day I’m not sure what to say, we got humped, almost all Glasgow points were breakaways? we had possession but can’t get the last 2/3 yards it seems and no other plan, until I was too late, we need a 9 or at least give Sheil a decent amount of game time to prove himself, a 10 to match him, and some alternative to the “head on”game plan. Oh, and consistency, if we can’t win the “gimme” games there is no point in shock results at odd times. Off to sulk now over coffee.

Please someone tell I’m wrong/dreaming.



Not unreasonable, you can’t be in the 22 for 15 mins then get cut apart in 2. I’ve had it, not getting a ST next season which I’d thought about.wont be to many/any games, definitely not paying to watch a repeat of last night

I am with you on that one Gary..totally TonySpreadbury off how the wheels came off when it really mattered, will wait until they start to show promise and are competing at the Business end of the conference.So could be a long time!
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby gone south on Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:10 pm

GaryIPA wrote:As an aside I think £50 is a bit steep for a semi final ticket


There will be cheaper ones available for you once the public release is announced in the silver category, don't let the price put you off watching some decent rugby or do you just want to start getting the holiday brochures out?
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby gunner_graham on Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:24 pm

GaryIPA wrote:As an aside I think £50 is a bit steep for a semi final ticket


The opportunity to pay £50 for a home semi should not be underestimated.
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Re: Last Chance Saloon v Glasgow

Postby gunner_graham on Sun Apr 28, 2019 12:33 pm

The Chiel wrote:Again looked a tired team, needing some depth urgently.

A shame the abiding memory will be the forwards yet again flogging themselves inside the 5m area and not really looking like getting over the line - and nothing outside the forwards. The trips to France & Newcastle seem a very long time ago.

Telling that all Glasgow's back subs are imo better than Edinburgh's starters ( with the exception of DVDM - again underused ). And Glasgow could afford to send McDowell off to play for his club when he'd be a nailed on starter for Edinburgh. Shiel looked good when he came on, but 10, 12 and 13 are real problem areas ( and I know that's not news ).


I don't see 12 & 13 as the problem. 9 & 10 for sure and a lot of that is down to the lack of a game plan. Side to side for a couple of minutes and then 10 metre box kick will never win anything. Dean and Johnston are good players and would probably flourish in a different environment. When our whole game is focused on forward dominance and it doesn't come off we have few options.
What is more worrying is that Glasgow have guys like Steyn and Gordon coming in from nowhere and playing out of their skin while we have a tired looking, unchanging team.
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