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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby dolf_lundgren on Tue Oct 13, 2020 2:36 pm

VDW joining the squad does suggest that players will be allowed to come and go to a degree, so hopefully we will get a few back.

GT also talked about the need for numbers in the squad, partiucal;ry while Exeter and Racing players not there, so it does kind of suggest the likes of Hoyland and possibly Harley are there for that reason and may well go back to clubs.

Selection of Cowan and DU Preez is interesting, both looked finished, possibly Thomson too. New breakdown laws may be suiting them better now and open things up for them again.

I would hope that for the likes of the Georgia game they pick these guys and let some fringe players like Haining and Toolis to come back.

If and when VDW does play, then we have a serious problem and really need some back 3 players back.
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby TheSmidge on Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:30 pm

dolf_lundgren wrote:I would hope that for the likes of the Georgia game they pick these guys and let some fringe players like Haining and Toolis to come back.


On current form, Toolis is ahead of Gilcho in my opinion. Both Edinburgh and Scotland’s lineouts function so much better when he plays, not that that is all a 2nd row does of course.
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby dolf_lundgren on Tue Oct 13, 2020 9:40 pm

true, but they play slightly different roles I think. Toolis is competing with Ritchie Gray and Cummings, maybe even Skinner for the lineout dominator/wider carry role. Gilcho feels like the ideal backup to Jonny in the bulky workhorse role.

Im no expert on 2nd row play though, so that may well be nonsense!
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby joe soap on Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:47 pm

dolf_lundgren wrote:true, but they play slightly different roles I think. Toolis is competing with Ritchie Gray and Cummings, maybe even Skinner for the lineout dominator/wider carry role. Gilcho feels like the ideal backup to Jonny in the bulky workhorse role.

Im no expert on 2nd row play though, so that may well be nonsense!


Toolis packs down at tighthead lock, same as Jonny Gray. This is usually the guy who does the workhorse stuff.
Skinner as apparently a 4/6 is I think not for that role, Cummings has played for Glasgow there but they picked Harley for it last week and Cummings on the loose side. Richie Gray has the bulk but I don't think has ever played tight head lock.
Edinburgh's set up is pretty unique in this respect, which could be an issue when transferring either to a different role for Scotland, and while Toolis looks a better bet for wider carrying options, looking purely at that aspect nether he nor Gilchrist excel there in the way Cummings can or the younger Richie Gray did (I don't think he has it now)

All this based on assuming that these assigned lock roles haven't changed in years, which I think they have. More more common to see 2 very similar locks sharing loads, and I've noticed this season some teams having their best scrummaging lock behind the LH prop
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby JDCSR on Wed Oct 14, 2020 11:36 pm

Whilst I think Gilchrist and Toolis are both versatile to a degree and can share lock roles there is a bit of a misconception that Toolis is just a rangy, athletic lineout specialist whereas in reality he very much provides the 'grunt' and thrives at setpiece, locking down the tighthead side of the scrum whilst dominating lineouts and hitting rucks etc freeing the likes of Gilchrist up to tackle his heart out.

I actually think Toolis and Johnny make a good partnership but I'd like to see a Cummings-Skinner partnership too. I dont think they'd fit the traditional view of a partnership but that's perhaps not as important with today's super versatile and skilled players. They'd really provide 'ooomph'!
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby TheSmidge on Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:04 am

JDCSR wrote:Whilst I think Gilchrist and Toolis are both versatile to a degree and can share lock roles there is a bit of a misconception that Toolis is just a rangy, athletic lineout specialist whereas in reality he very much provides the 'grunt' and thrives at setpiece, locking down the tighthead side of the scrum whilst dominating lineouts and hitting rucks etc freeing the likes of Gilchrist up to tackle his heart out.

I actually think Toolis and Johnny make a good partnership but I'd like to see a Cummings-Skinner partnership too. I dont think they'd fit the traditional view of a partnership but that's perhaps not as important with today's super versatile and skilled players. They'd really provide 'ooomph'!


I agree, there’s something about a Gray and Gilcho partnership that doesn’t quite work at the highest level, and that’s before we consider the latter’s current lack of form. Toolis provides a point of difference to Gray, which is needed.

When all options are fit, the combo of 4/5/19 is likely to consist of Gray, Cummings and Skinner (in no particular order) at the moment. Toolis then edges it for me as 4th choice right now.
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby disco on Mon Oct 19, 2020 6:30 pm

Given the club are patching me on Twitter does anyone on here have the inside scoop on a few players?

Dan Nutton, Jack Blain and Jamie Hodgson have all been included in the list of players whose jerseys can be sponsored for 2020/21. Are they now all confirmed as contracted to Edinburgh? As full-time players or on Partnership Contracts (Sam Kitchen is also included so PC players must make the sponsorship list)?

Fraser McKenzie is not included on the list - any significance to this?

Jordan Venter is also not included. My initial assumption was this is because he isn't arriving until December. Any chance though that he's going into the Academy initially before progressing to a pro contract for 2021/22?
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby dolf_lundgren on Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:22 pm

Well spotted Disco. No idea is the answer.

Fraser Mckenzie is the biggest mystery, he hasn't really been seen so could be his injury is worse than thought, which would explain trying to sign emergency cover from SA.

Hodgson and Nutton look to be fairly regular, although particularly in Nuttons case normally he woudlnt be near a matchday.
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby The Feral Goat on Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:05 am

2nd row added 1yr deal, gilchrist and mckenzie long term injuries

https://www.edinburghrugby.org/the-club ... s-ferreira
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby TheSmidge on Fri Oct 23, 2020 11:30 am

The Feral Goat wrote:2nd row added 1yr deal, gilchrist and mckenzie long term injuries

https://www.edinburghrugby.org/the-club ... s-ferreira


Can he fill in at full back?
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby joe soap on Fri Oct 30, 2020 2:11 pm

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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby The Feral Goat on Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:13 pm

Tweets from mark palmer of the Times tonight.

VDW away to SA to get married and will need to quarantine when he gets back so won't be in Scotland squad and won't be playing Monday.

Chamberlain certainly will be getting game time then do we have an another academy 10 or is any super 6 player likely to be training with us?
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby liveinhope on Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:12 am

Given this must have been known some time ago even more mystifying Chamberlain hasn't been given more game time (though I agree the last few minutes at Scarlets wasn't the right time).
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby joe soap on Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:12 am

The Feral Goat wrote:Tweets from mark palmer of the Times tonight.

VDW away to SA to get married and will need to quarantine when he gets back so won't be in Scotland squad and won't be playing Monday.

Chamberlain certainly will be getting game time then do we have an another academy 10 or is any super 6 player likely to be training with us?


its on the official website.

we'll see. Wouldn't surprise me to see Cockerill signing Gareth Steenson for a month and Chamberlain still getting skelfs in his @rse
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Re: Edinburgh squad 2020-21

Postby TheSmidge on Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:15 am

The Feral Goat wrote:Tweets from mark palmer of the Times tonight.

VDW away to SA to get married and will need to quarantine when he gets back so won't be in Scotland squad and won't be playing Monday.

Chamberlain certainly will be getting game time then do we have an another academy 10 or is any super 6 player likely to be training with us?


I think there's Cameron Scott in the academy, but I don't know anything about him other than his name to be honest.

It is inconceivable that we aren't exploring other emergency options in training. Off the top of my head, it is not outwith the realms of possibility that Pyrgos could play 10 or one of the centres, perhaps Dean or Taylor.

Depending on when Jaco returns to the UK and completes his quarantine, it looks like he will definitely miss the games against Cardiff (9th) and Leinster (16th). Depending on whether he arrives back during the day next Monday, it is likely that he will also miss Dragons (23rd). Then, if he is called up for Scotland, he could also then miss Ulster (30th).

Chamberlain is going to be playing more than just next Monday!
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