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Murray MCallum

Postby JDCSR on Sun May 10, 2020 1:37 pm

In the interest of sparking some well interest I thought it would be interesting to discuss young Murray and his development.

So to my knowledge McCallum spent most of his age grade caps on the loosehead side of the scrum due to Fagerson being at tighthead.

However he seized his opportunity due to injuries and national team call ups to get a decent run for us at tighthead a little while ago and looked more than accomplished picking up a few Scotland caps to boot. So whilst a tighthead he looked very assured in the scrum and handy in the loose. In short a great prospect who at that time I thought would be soon pushing Berghan and Nel all the way for the starting slot.

Since then he's struggled for gametime and I've read some rumours about switching back to loosehead and losing weight, most recently he did of course appear off the bench at loosehead.

So what are people's thoughts? Is he destined to be stuck as third of fourth choice on both sides? Has his potential at tighthead been squandered?
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Re: Murray MCallum

Postby dolf_lundgren on Sun May 10, 2020 1:53 pm

He is still a baby in prop terms. He also seems to be competent on both sides of the scrum. Losing a bit of weight I think is just part of him growing up and he looks to have hardened up and be a bit more dynamic.

I don’t know how far he can go to be honest, he has some very good players on both sides of the scrum. A year on loan would probably help him but he will be too important to the squad to do that now.
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Re: Murray MCallum

Postby doedin on Wed May 13, 2020 6:45 pm

He got shoved into the deep end very young in his career - remember the taxi up from Goldenacre to take place on bench in Euro game? He has great props to learn from on both sides of the scrum and has probably been tucked away to develop physically and technically. I suspect he will come good and go onto play for us and Scotland on regular basis. As well as rugby I hear via friends of kids that he is a really nice guy too and works really hard on his game. He'll do ok.
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Re: Murray MCallum

Postby BigD163 on Thu May 14, 2020 11:38 am

doedin wrote:He got shoved into the deep end very young in his career - remember the taxi up from Goldenacre to take place on bench in Euro game? He has great props to learn from on both sides of the scrum and has probably been tucked away to develop physically and technically. I suspect he will come good and go onto play for us and Scotland on regular basis. As well as rugby I hear via friends of kids that he is a really nice guy too and works really hard on his game. He'll do ok.


My only concern is we keep bringing in props without him ever seemingly moving up the depth chart.

Hopefully he will come through and challenge for a 1st choice 23 place but he is no longer a young pup even by prop terms these days. There were a number of younger or slightly older (Genge for example) props involved in the 6N this year.
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Re: Murray MCallum

Postby Tichtheid on Thu May 14, 2020 12:23 pm

WP has just turned 34, whilst Murray McCallum has just turned 24. Cockers doesn't seem to take chances and the further down the numbers on the jerseys go he seems to take fewer chances, McCallum will get his chance when Cockers deems him ready.

I've been a bit frustrated with the philosophy to be honest, I think players like Charlie Shiel and McCallum could have been further on than they are, but it's difficult to argue that it seems to be working in terms of our results and performances, and in fact winning whilst playing badly like against Cardiff and Scarlets in February is a sign of a resilience that we have lacked for a long time.

I want McCallum to come in and play with a bunch of hard-bitten DavePearson who never let the heads fall, same with Shiel, playing behind a pack of bad DavePearson, who can flip an offload when needed is what we want.
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Re: Murray MCallum

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Thu May 14, 2020 1:22 pm

To be fair who expected Ceccerelli to be as good as he was essentially first choice at times?

If he isn't ahead of the Fijian journeyman that's cause for concern.
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Re: Murray MCallum

Postby BigD163 on Thu May 14, 2020 2:04 pm

Tichtheid wrote:WP has just turned 34, whilst Murray McCallum has just turned 24. Cockers doesn't seem to take chances and the further down the numbers on the jerseys go he seems to take fewer chances, McCallum will get his chance when Cockers deems him ready.

I've been a bit frustrated with the philosophy to be honest, I think players like Charlie Shiel and McCallum could have been further on than they are, but it's difficult to argue that it seems to be working in terms of our results and performances, and in fact winning whilst playing badly like against Cardiff and Scarlets in February is a sign of a resilience that we have lacked for a long time.

I want McCallum to come in and play with a bunch of hard-bitten DavePearson who never let the heads fall, same with Shiel, playing behind a pack of bad DavePearson, who can flip an offload when needed is what we want.


My concern is perhaps more one for him national team one rather than Edinburgh and it is that we have a talented young prop who is behind 2 internationals on one side of the scrum and behind Schoeman and Sutherland on the other. That is assuming he beats out Bhatti on the LH side to be 3rd choice and the Fijian signing to be 3rd choice on the THP.

We have seen in other countries (and down the M8) that giving young props a chance can see them flourish. 8-10 of the props involved in week 1 of the 6N were around his age (+a year) or younger. Are we missing giving him a chance to develop in games? Maybe he hasn't deserved it?

It is a tough one but this time next year when contracts are discussed some tough discussions may need to happen.
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Re: Murray MCallum

Postby JDCSR on Thu May 14, 2020 6:59 pm

Interesting to see Aungier moving to Connaught over the other side of the Irish sea. Someone like McCallum would really benefit from starting every week at a third pro team. Furlong, Porter, Bent and Abdaladze is some quartet to have to get past though so that route via another province is ideal.
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Re: Murray MCallum

Postby disco on Fri May 15, 2020 1:19 am

JDCSR wrote:Interesting to see Aungier moving to Connaught over the other side of the Irish sea. Someone like McCallum would really benefit from starting every week at a third pro team. Furlong, Porter, Bent and Abdaladze is some quartet to have to get past though so that route via another province is ideal.

Leinster dishing out another young tighthead to Munster as well. Read an article today suggesting Leinster should be split into two teams due to their overproduction of players!
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