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bignose wrote:I'm pretty sure that we are furiously agreeing with each other on the key point...
There are three main aspects to building a successful professional rugby club:
1) Results
2) Results
3) Results
Everything else is peripheral.
Over to you Mr Cockerill.
biffer wrote:Rasho wrote:Lot of complains about the survey, but it is still good useful data. As with all statistics it`s all about how you use and interpret it. Saying things are obvious to one person may not be to another and not to Edi Rugby either.
If the experience (ignoring results for the minute) had been better people would rate the 2 closer, appreciating the difference and allow for that. It highlights the importance of sorting that out if we stay at Myreside as it is a long way from the majority of people being happy and using the castle, for example. People will now know how their specific travel etc works, too, and that feedback point helps.
A clear concern for Edi Rugby is whether people will recommend and bring others along. A sucessful trial could easily have seen that being better at Myreside. For the club to grow it needs to be somewhere where people like the club atmosphere and will recommend it and bring along family and friends to grow the crowd base. If that doesn't happen we're in trouble. It needs investment for that at Myreside.
Having been to Scotstoun for the 1872, there is a marked difference (and btw I wasn't swayed by the win). Arriving at the ground, the facilities inside and outside, main stand, access from town, branding all made it feel like a pro outfit. It was like Edinburgh playing a cup game against a team a couple of leagues above and that's looking at a stadium with similar capacity. I hadn't expected the grounds to be so markedly different and feel like Glasgow operated in a league above in terms of ground and facilities. Currently Myreside is very clearly a school ground. A lot of investment is needed to make Myreside get anywhere near the facilities, branding and quality of Scotstoun.
I think that's the point though, Scotstoun shows what you can do with a bit of investment. It still has significant flaws - I hate a ground with a track around it, the supporters bar is awful, public transport isn't great and it's full of weeg, but they've done a lot over the last few years. The problem is I think we have certain elements of our support who want everything sorted from day one. Not a huge number but there are some who make more noise about toilets than they ever make during a game. What the survey should help to do is show what the priorities are.
The Feral Goat wrote:Supporters are only one element, there are other stakeholders who need to give feedback as well.
I think it is fair to say Glasgow at Scotstoun is largely a success, so it makes sense for the SRU to follow a similar model with Edinburgh. A partnership with GW at Myreside is a great opportunity to create the home we need, but I think the club needs to be prepared to say yes we want to move to Myreside but we need another season / half season to get it to the standard we want. They need to jointly (ER and GW) present an end vision be it 3,5,7 years down the line we need to know what we are aiming for.
Hard to see the trial as a success but I feel there is a longer term opportunity to good to walk away from.
Rasho wrote:Lot of complains about the survey, but it is still good useful data. As with all statistics it`s all about how you use and interpret it. Saying things are obvious to one person may not be to another and not to Edi Rugby either.
If the experience (ignoring results for the minute) had been better people would rate the 2 closer, appreciating the difference and allow for that. It highlights the importance of sorting that out if we stay at Myreside as it is a long way from the majority of people being happy and using the castle, for example. People will now know how their specific travel etc works, too, and that feedback point helps.
A clear concern for Edi Rugby is whether people will recommend and bring others along. A sucessful trial could easily have seen that being better at Myreside. For the club to grow it needs to be somewhere where people like the club atmosphere and will recommend it and bring along family and friends to grow the crowd base. If that doesn't happen we're in trouble. It needs investment for that at Myreside.
Having been to Scotstoun for the 1872, there is a marked difference (and btw I wasn't swayed by the win). Arriving at the ground, the facilities inside and outside, main stand, access from town, branding all made it feel like a pro outfit. It was like Edinburgh playing a cup game against a team a couple of leagues above and that's looking at a stadium with similar capacity. I hadn't expected the grounds to be so markedly different and feel like Glasgow operated in a league above in terms of ground and facilities. Currently Myreside is very clearly a school ground. A lot of investment is needed to make Myreside get anywhere near the facilities, branding and quality of Scotstoun.
dolf_lundgren wrote:Multi use is hard, we didne like Meadowbank or Easter Road either.
The stadium we really need is Almondvale, but it is in the wrong place. Other than that it is perfect.
The Toni Macaroni Arena though....
GaryIPA wrote:dolf_lundgren wrote:Multi use is hard, we didne like Meadowbank or Easter Road either.
The stadium we really need is Almondvale, but it is in the wrong place. Other than that it is perfect.
The Toni Macaroni Arena though....
Meadowbank was fine lots of potential with a little redevelopment
Chris wrote:To me, there's a fairly simple equation. There are three factors to getting a decent support:
(1) A good matchday experience - i.e. travel, beer, atmosphere, seating etc.
(2) Attractive rugby to watch
(3) Our team winning consistently: not every game, but the majority. The kind of feel that you get at Munster, Leicester, Toulon etc.: that your ground is a fortress, and that losing is unusual.
Get two out of three right, and you're going to attract decent crowds. Get less than that, your support will fall away given time. At the moment, we're not really succeeding on any of those three bases, whereas over the past 12 years or so at Murrayfield we tended to have an acceptable matchday experience (apart from the atmosphere) if nothing else. So, I'll put up with:
1. A good matchday experience, and good rugby to watch, even if we lose (2/3).
2. A good matchday experience, and winning ugly (2/3).
3. A rubbish matchday experience, but we play great rugby and win (2/3).
4. A great matchday experience, we play wonderful rugby, and we win (3/3).
biffer wrote:That's just not true. There's one factor to getting big crowds.
Winning.
That's it, no more complicated. Everything else is just fluff.
biffer wrote:GaryIPA wrote:dolf_lundgren wrote:Multi use is hard, we didne like Meadowbank or Easter Road either.
The stadium we really need is Almondvale, but it is in the wrong place. Other than that it is perfect.
The Toni Macaroni Arena though....
Meadowbank was fine lots of potential with a little redevelopment
Meadowbank is a LawrenceBryce SteveWalsh
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