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The Feral Goat wrote:Agree with Gowries point re quality, historically they have not been the best and the Pro12 needs to be more competitive across the board rather than having another Italian/Dragons/Edinburgh in the league.
I assume this is a money related proposal but I don’t see how it would generate the significant increase in revenue that the league is looking for especially if any current revenue would by diluted as well, yes it is an SA team and a new market but it would be competing with Super Rugby for TV viewers so perhaps of limited appeal both here and in SA.
Travel, assuming they would remain SA based I don’t think it would be a major issue or financial burden for each of the current Pro12 teams to travel to SA once a season and hopefully the scheduling would be sensible eg Edinburgh and Glasgow playing in SA back to back weeks so fans may make a trip and take in both games. There is obvious expense for them to travel North regularly and SA rugby is not exactly flush with cash, but I guess they could schedule a block of home games then block of away games.
It is difficult to see what if any benefits there addition would bring. I think the Aviva Prem were looking to do something with SA teams and this perhaps has a whiff of a move by the Pro12 to get in before they do possibly without it being fully thought though…
Friday Knight Lights wrote:The Feral Goat wrote:Agree with Gowries point re quality, historically they have not been the best and the Pro12 needs to be more competitive across the board rather than having another Italian/Dragons/Edinburgh in the league.
I assume this is a money related proposal but I don’t see how it would generate the significant increase in revenue that the league is looking for especially if any current revenue would by diluted as well, yes it is an SA team and a new market but it would be competing with Super Rugby for TV viewers so perhaps of limited appeal both here and in SA.
Travel, assuming they would remain SA based I don’t think it would be a major issue or financial burden for each of the current Pro12 teams to travel to SA once a season and hopefully the scheduling would be sensible eg Edinburgh and Glasgow playing in SA back to back weeks so fans may make a trip and take in both games. There is obvious expense for them to travel North regularly and SA rugby is not exactly flush with cash, but I guess they could schedule a block of home games then block of away games.
It is difficult to see what if any benefits there addition would bring. I think the Aviva Prem were looking to do something with SA teams and this perhaps has a whiff of a move by the Pro12 to get in before they do possibly without it being fully thought though…
Not really, the Super Rugby season starts at the end of our season and ends a month or so before ours begins - wouldn't be directly competing with Super rugby but Currie Cup.
I'm interested how this will work in regards to Champions Cup/Challenge Cup.
Friday Knight Lights wrote:Not really, the Super Rugby season starts at the end of our season and ends a month or so before ours begins - wouldn't be directly competing with Super rugby but Currie Cup.
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The Feral Goat wrote:I meant more in terms of selling it to an SA TV network, how much appeal/value is there in one relatively poorly supported SA team in the distant Pro12 league to make a TV co to stump up a decent amount of cash, unless there is some sort of SKY/BT competitive element in SA at present. Or does having an SA team in the league increase the value to the current home broadcasters and they pay more, cant see it?
The Feral Goat wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40448854
2 SA teams to join 2017/18 (unconfirmed still but appears a done deal) certainly story not going away.
There have been a few articles on various SA and UK/Irish papers/websites since this first appeared a month or so ago. What I had not appreciated was that SA provide the majority of the TV revenue to SANZAR and Super rugby at present. Indications are that there is an equal split of TV revenue in this Pro12 deal.
As usual further details needed but from a purely commercial point of view it appears to make more sense than I had initially thought.
https://www.alloutrugby.com/sa-teams-queue-for-pro12/
The Feral Goat wrote:http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/40448854
2 SA teams to join 2017/18 (unconfirmed still but appears a done deal) certainly story not going away.
There have been a few articles on various SA and UK/Irish papers/websites since this first appeared a month or so ago. What I had not appreciated was that SA provide the majority of the TV revenue to SANZAR and Super rugby at present. Indications are that there is an equal split of TV revenue in this Pro12 deal.
As usual further details needed but from a purely commercial point of view it appears to make more sense than I had initially thought.
https://www.alloutrugby.com/sa-teams-queue-for-pro12/
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