Too Bad

[joe soap]

in order to accommodate some Kiwi journeyman.

He's played how much? And you've seen him how much?

Not every import will be a raging success; they deserve half a chance before you condemn them.

And BTW, look up the meaning of journeyman. You might be surprised

[muzzer_mc]

And BTW, look up the meaning of journeyman. You might be surprised

Great Song! Up The Irons \m/!

[joe soap]

We all have our favourites, Todd Blackadder was mine, Blair seems a favourite to others on this site, but they are has beens and past-it.
This forum should be topics about our current side, and giving them the support that they need, not what we have, and what we have not got, or used to have.
I would have Blackadder back tomorrow, Blair is sometimes playing 2nd division rugby in France, but time moves on, cant keep living in the past.
Some of the armchair supporters on this site should make the effort and support the boys at MURRAYFIELD, they are quick enough to give their opinion on past-it players, and obscure selections, and slagging Bradley off when we lose
Wake-up and smell the coffee, the boys need our support especialy this weekend

perhaps a long way round to make a half decent point!

I see no problem comparing players past and pesent, part of the fun really. Different players, their records say a lot. But Blair is gone, he wanted to go, we need to get over it and stop seeming to blame Rees for not being Blair.

So far Rees has been outstanding; not as forecast by certain poster(s).

If Laidlaw is suffering because he is missing Blair, then that is a challenge to him as a 10, it may be xeposing his limitations there. Few scrum halfs are Blair. Just one in fact.

as to slagging off Bradley, the guy can't win. TBH I'm much more interested in and worried by laidlaw's admission in the press yesterday that players could have tried harder last season. No doubt Bradley will get blamed for that too. Except that players need to take responsibility for their performance; and every player bar one who played last season was there befor Bradley, and I doubt Cox could ever be accused of leaving anything on the park.
Too many payers for too long in a comfort zone, only turning out out mentally when it suited them

[biffer]

However, if you feel like laughing at something, why not turn your limited attention to lornads suggestion of moving Edinburgh and Scotlands best 12, to 10 (presumably taking up gametime in that position in place of FH hopefuls like Leonard), in order to accommodate some Kiwi journeyman.

Have you seen Matt Scott play at fly half?

Has he ever played there at professional level?

[joe soap]

However, if you feel like laughing at something, why not turn your limited attention to lornads suggestion of moving Edinburgh and Scotlands best 12, to 10 (presumably taking up gametime in that position in place of FH hopefuls like Leonard), in order to accommodate some Kiwi journeyman.

Have you seen Matt Scott play at fly half?

Has he ever played there at professional level?

about as often as Laidlaw had before last season I woud guess! and a lot more before that.

Not proposing scott at 10, just saying!

[Dalkiethladdie]

We all have our favourites, Todd Blackadder was mine, Blair seems a favourite to others on this site, but they are has beens and past-it.
This forum should be topics about our current side, and giving them the support that they need, not what we have, and what we have not got, or used to have.
I would have Blackadder back tomorrow, Blair is sometimes playing 2nd division rugby in France, but time moves on, cant keep living in the past.
Some of the armchair supporters on this site should make the effort and support the boys at MURRAYFIELD, they are quick enough to give their opinion on past-it players, and obscure selections, and slagging Bradley off when we lose
Wake-up and smell the coffee, the boys need our support especialy this weekend

perhaps a long way round to make a half decent point!

I see no problem comparing players past and pesent, part of the fun really. Different players, their records say a lot. But Blair is gone, he wanted to go, we need to get over it and stop seeming to blame Rees for not being Blair.

So far Rees has been outstanding; not as forecast by certain poster(s).

If Laidlaw is suffering because he is missing Blair, then that is a challenge to him as a 10, it may be xeposing his limitations there. Few scrum halfs are Blair. Just one in fact.

as to slagging off Bradley, the guy can't win. TBH I'm much more interested in and worried by laidlaw's admission in the press yesterday that players could have tried harder last season. No doubt Bradley will get blamed for that too. Except that players need to take responsibility for their performance; and every player bar one who played last season was there befor Bradley, and I doubt Cox could ever be accused of leaving anything on the park.
Too many payers for too long in a comfort zone, only turning out out mentally when it suited them

Good Post Joseph !

[hp18]

in order to accommodate some Kiwi journeyman.

He's played how much? And you've seen him how much?

Not every import will be a raging success; they deserve half a chance before you condemn them.

And BTW, look up the meaning of journeyman. You might be surprised

I have, and I'm not.


Why move Scott from 12 where he could be outstanding, to 10, when you have a great 1st choice FH, a 2nd choice who's shown he has great potential but needs gametime. Atiga could be a decent player for you in time, and he'll have his chance in every international window. But he should wait rather than get his chance on the back of one of Scotlands few great talents being dicked about.

[joe soap]

in order to accommodate some Kiwi journeyman.

He's played how much? And you've seen him how much?

Not every import will be a raging success; they deserve half a chance before you condemn them.

And BTW, look up the meaning of journeyman. You might be surprised

I have, and I'm not.


Why move Scott from 12 where he could be outstanding, to 10, when you have a great 1st choice FH, a 2nd choice who's shown he has great potential but needs gametime. Atiga could be a decent player for you in time, and he'll have his chance in every international window. But he should wait rather than get his chance on the back of one of Scotlands few great talents being dicked about.

where did I say move Scott? That's right, I didn't.

Now "you have", have you. Perhaps you'd like to share with us what you found and why you used that term to refer to Atiga in a derogatory way?
And again, you've seen his how often to form this view?

[Martin Bell]

Another poster some way up the thread suggested trying Scott at 10. You are indeed not guilty.

I agree with HP (and you). Please let's leave him at 12, where he is developing rather nicely. I am hoping to see a Scott-Dunbar midfield at some point this international season. The Laidlaw-Rees hinge - which seemed to be the reason for the original suggestion - will come together fine. I'd much rather see Harry get the game time at 10 during the international periods, when Matt will in any case be with the national squad.

I'm in no hurry to make Ben the first choice 12 anyway, particularly when he seems to be carrying a few injuries at the moment. He's looked OK to me so far though and should allow us to rotate 12 and 13 as and when required.

[frillage]

[quote="joe soap]

where did I say move Scott? That's right, I didn't.

Now "you have", have you. Perhaps you'd like to share with us what you found and why you used that term to refer to Atiga in a derogatory way?
And again, you've seen his how often to form this view?[/quote]


He didn't use it in a derogatory way, you read it in a derogatory way.
Journeyman is a very apt word to describe him, a solid, decent player but unspectacular and not deserving of higher honours.

he replied to your point with his first line the rest was carrying on his earlier post, no need to get upset!

[joe soap]

He didn't use it in a derogatory way, you read it in a derogatory way.
Journeyman is a very apt word to describe him, a solid, decent player but unspectacular and not deserving of higher honours.

he replied to your point with his first line the rest was carrying on his earlier post, no need to get upset!

jeez, a mind reader.
I've yet to see someone use journeyman in a complimentary way on a rugby forum, if you have, I'd be grateful for a link as I'm always happy to see new things.
anyway I'm not upset mate, I'm wondering where hp18 has seen enough of Atiga to make his decision.

[concernedposter]

He didn't use it in a derogatory way, you read it in a derogatory way.
Journeyman is a very apt word to describe him, a solid, decent player but unspectacular and not deserving of higher honours.

he replied to your point with his first line the rest was carrying on his earlier post, no need to get upset!

jeez, a mind reader.
I've yet to see someone use journeyman in a complimentary way on a rugby forum, if you have, I'd be grateful for a link as I'm always happy to see new things.
anyway I'm not upset mate, I'm wondering where hp18 has seen enough of Atiga to make his decision.

Fortunately, you confine your drivel to here.

[djphilp]

Atiga's past career in NZ is evidence enough for him to have inherited the title of a journeyman professional. He never achieved the highs that his early promise indicated he might. He did perform well enough however to get 45 super rugby caps, all barring one for the Blues between 2004-2008. He then took time out of the game before coming back to the sport in 2010.

Having watched him on numerous occasions for the Blues he has good skills and should be an attribute to our squad, but whilst he may turn out to be a good squad player, to move our (Scotland's and Edinburgh's) most promising 12 since John Leslie to accomodate him would be fool hardy.

[hp18]

He didn't use it in a derogatory way, you read it in a derogatory way.
Journeyman is a very apt word to describe him, a solid, decent player but unspectacular and not deserving of higher honours.

he replied to your point with his first line the rest was carrying on his earlier post, no need to get upset!

jeez, a mind reader.
I've yet to see someone use journeyman in a complimentary way on a rugby forum, if you have, I'd be grateful for a link as I'm always happy to see new things.
anyway I'm not upset mate, I'm wondering where hp18 has seen enough of Atiga to make his decision.

Mine I presume, as you're definitely not taking this well.

[joe soap]

Mine I presume, as you're definitely not taking this well.

so, how often have you seen Atiga play?