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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby BigD163 on Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:00 am

The Chiel wrote:
The Chiel wrote:A bit taken aback to see that "On The Blindside" in The Rugby Paper, which is usually pretty clued up ( but not infallible ), running an article linking Cockers with Eddie Jones to replace the recently departed ( to Wasps, not permanently ! :) ) John Mitchell. Seems to me to be too much of a stretch - although I'd dearly love to see Cockers dishing it out to Marler and Sinckler !

TRP also say Clermont may be interested in taking him back, working under Jono Gibbes. OTBS then rather pull their own rug out from under their feet by saying that actually Cockers could take his time deciding his next move.


Cockerill going to work for Jones is now widespread in the English media. Fair to say social media comment on the move is mixed . . .


He will do well as a forwards coach.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby robdinsdale on Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:09 am

The Chiel wrote:
The Chiel wrote:A bit taken aback to see that "On The Blindside" in The Rugby Paper, which is usually pretty clued up ( but not infallible ), running an article linking Cockers with Eddie Jones to replace the recently departed ( to Wasps, not permanently ! :) ) John Mitchell. Seems to me to be too much of a stretch - although I'd dearly love to see Cockers dishing it out to Marler and Sinckler !

TRP also say Clermont may be interested in taking him back, working under Jono Gibbes. OTBS then rather pull their own rug out from under their feet by saying that actually Cockers could take his time deciding his next move.


Cockerill going to work for Jones is now widespread in the English media. Fair to say social media comment on the move is mixed . . .


Sounds like Jones has similar management methods so that could be an interesting combo.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby The Chiel on Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:20 am

BigD163 wrote:
The Chiel wrote:
The Chiel wrote:A bit taken aback to see that "On The Blindside" in The Rugby Paper, which is usually pretty clued up ( but not infallible ), running an article linking Cockers with Eddie Jones to replace the recently departed ( to Wasps, not permanently ! :) ) John Mitchell. Seems to me to be too much of a stretch - although I'd dearly love to see Cockers dishing it out to Marler and Sinckler !

TRP also say Clermont may be interested in taking him back, working under Jono Gibbes. OTBS then rather pull their own rug out from under their feet by saying that actually Cockers could take his time deciding his next move.


Cockerill going to work for Jones is now widespread in the English media. Fair to say social media comment on the move is mixed . . .


He will do well as a forwards coach.


Maybe - see my comment above about Marler and SInckler !
More importantly the only coach Fast Eddie has left is Matt Proudfoot, who is recognised as the scrum expert, but whose official title is I believe forwards coach. Something will have to give.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby bignose on Thu Jul 29, 2021 12:35 pm

robdinsdale wrote:Sounds like Jones has similar management methods so that could be an interesting combo.


Not according to his autobiography, nor that of Dylan Hartley. What are your sources?
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby robdinsdale on Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:06 pm

bignose wrote:
robdinsdale wrote:Sounds like Jones has similar management methods so that could be an interesting combo.


Not according to his autobiography, nor that of Dylan Hartley. What are your sources?


Just guff that I read online, it's quite possibly not accurate.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:18 pm

robdinsdale wrote:
bignose wrote:
robdinsdale wrote:Sounds like Jones has similar management methods so that could be an interesting combo.


Not according to his autobiography, nor that of Dylan Hartley. What are your sources?


Just guff that I read online, it's quite possibly not accurate.


The staff turnover rate at England is frankly astonishing and suggests he's not good to work for.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby The Incredible Shug on Thu Jul 29, 2021 1:45 pm

Richard Cockerill should be England's backs coach.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby BigD163 on Thu Jul 29, 2021 4:38 pm

The Chiel wrote:Maybe - see my comment above about Marler and SInckler !
More importantly the only coach Fast Eddie has left is Matt Proudfoot, who is recognised as the scrum expert, but whose official title is I believe forwards coach. Something will have to give.


Rumour was that Proudfoot was staying in SA.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby The Chiel on Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:32 am

Daily Mail tweets Cockerill to join revamped England coaching staff with appointment expected to be announced next week.

Also says "Cockerill is poised to be brought into Jones's new management team with a remit to oversee the lineout and contact work — in a close alliance with forwards coach Matt Proudfoot. However, it is thought that remit may be expanded once he has become established."

I'd guess Proudfoot's coat is on a shoogly peg.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby Tichtheid on Fri Aug 13, 2021 9:39 am

The Chiel wrote:Daily Mail tweets Cockerill to join revamped England coaching staff with appointment expected to be announced next week.

Also says "Cockerill is poised to be brought into Jones's new management team with a remit to oversee the lineout and contact work — in a close alliance with forwards coach Matt Proudfoot. However, it is thought that remit may be expanded once he has become established."

I'd guess Proudfoot's coat is on a shoogly peg.



Cockerill will probably excel in a specialist role like that, I’m not sure he is a head coach in today’s game.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:54 am

The Chiel wrote:Daily Mail tweets Cockerill to join revamped England coaching staff with appointment expected to be announced next week.

Also says "Cockerill is poised to be brought into Jones's new management team with a remit to oversee the lineout and contact work — in a close alliance with forwards coach Matt Proudfoot. However, it is thought that remit may be expanded once he has become established."

I'd guess Proudfoot's coat is on a shoogly peg.


Apparently Proudfoot wants out.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby BigD163 on Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:43 am

Friday Knight Lights wrote:
The Chiel wrote:Daily Mail tweets Cockerill to join revamped England coaching staff with appointment expected to be announced next week.

Also says "Cockerill is poised to be brought into Jones's new management team with a remit to oversee the lineout and contact work — in a close alliance with forwards coach Matt Proudfoot. However, it is thought that remit may be expanded once he has become established."

I'd guess Proudfoot's coat is on a shoogly peg.


Apparently Proudfoot wants out.


Yeah the rumour was Proudfoot was in SA and not going back.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby germain on Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:34 am

Cocker's move to join Eddie Jones' staff gives some perspective about all the needed changes.
He probably would have stayed if it weren't for the english job.
Hodge really was his choice as he immediatly moved on after his departure.
Still strange that Cockers left by a very small back door as he was our best coach since 2012.
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby Friday Knight Lights on Fri Sep 10, 2021 10:40 am

germain wrote:Cocker's move to join Eddie Jones' staff gives some perspective about all the needed changes.
He probably would have stayed if it weren't for the english job.
Hodge really was his choice as he immediatly moved on after his departure.
Still strange that Cockers left by a very small back door as he was our best coach since 2012.


He didn't get the England job though he's assistant forwards coach? And Hodge went because Blair is a backs coach?
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Re: Cockerill Gone

Postby zt1903 on Wed Sep 15, 2021 8:00 am

germain wrote:Cocker's move to join Eddie Jones' staff gives some perspective about all the needed changes.
He probably would have stayed if it weren't for the english job.
Hodge really was his choice as he immediatly moved on after his departure.
Still strange that Cockers left by a very small back door as he was our best coach since 2012.


That wouldn’t be my take on it.

He left because his time was up, his jacket was on a shoogly peg due to results and player discontent, and certain player departures may have been the final straw.

He got a job in the England setup because he was available and Jones saw his experience as being useful.

The job he has is not one that you leave a Head Coach job for.
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