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doedin wrote:As I said earlier I think it is well worth trying to convert him to a 10 for all the reasons Tichthead details above and has been said earlier ... he has pace, pass, kicking, etc. However the biggest test will be is does he have the decision making ability and mentality to play at 10? It is a different proposition playing in the middle of the game than at the back of it, the best 10s aren't necessarily the best rugby players but they are the best decision makers - Finn being an exception! I sincerely hope Kinghorn makes the shift to 10 a success for him and for Embra/Scotland and I have a sneaky suspicion he will do it and do it well.
Tichtheid wrote:I just don't accept the premise that BK isn't very good, and I really find it very confusing that anyone would think if he was considered not good enough to play wing or full back that he is being considered for the most important position on the park, after tighthead.
His attributes - Toonie was quoted as saying Kinghorn is the quickest player in the Scotland squad, this was before Duhan joined but it appears to me that whilst Duhan is very quick, it's the momentum he has rather than outright blazing pace that makes him a devastating runner.
He's got a very good offloading game and good hands in general, I was concerned that he doesn't have the hard flat pass that the best fly halves possess, but he showed he has it against the Scarlets.
He has a huge boot on him, for goal, for touch-finders and for clearing.
Mike Blair talked about how Kinghorn sees space where others don't, that is what sets some players apart.
He has been used as first receiver many times in games, he is moving on to taking on the whole kicking game, from kick-offs and drop-outs, to touch finders and now to goal kicking.
So in fact I don't see this as a radical move, he is still green obviously, he has to learn to control a tight game, but he is starting from a very creative place and the control is probably easier learned than trying to teach a steady player that X factor stuff.
Fly half is a funny old position for Edinburgh, we're a bit of a graveyard for 10s, since Godman who have we had? We had Scotland's scrum half playing 10, we've had England's inside centre, we've had a guy who couldnae get a start for the Dragons, we've signed a big bucks New Zealander who didn't set the heather alight, we've had Weir, who I liked but the curse got to him and left him injured for the time Cockerill was making his decisions on who should stay or go. We've had Harry Leonard, I actually spoke to a school tutor of his when he first came to Edinburgh and he said Leonard could be very good, but he was steady rather than creative.
Jaco played well the last couple of games after a bit of a nightmare against Benetton, but I think/hope Kinghorn is the guy that can take us further, injury permitting he still has a long career ahead of him, Sexton is 12 years older than him.
The Feral Goat wrote:Think the other thing to remember about Kinghorn at 15 the last few seasons is that he was in a team playing pretty stodgy rugby behind a box kicking 9 with his main role being kick returns.
Tichtheid wrote:The Feral Goat wrote:Think the other thing to remember about Kinghorn at 15 the last few seasons is that he was in a team playing pretty stodgy rugby behind a box kicking 9 with his main role being kick returns.
BK isn't the only one who looked a shadow of the potential they have, it looks like we've got the real Mark Bennett playing with us now, Charlie Shiel got more conservative with every game last season, last week he look terrific.
Friday Knight Lights wrote:Tichtheid wrote:The Feral Goat wrote:Think the other thing to remember about Kinghorn at 15 the last few seasons is that he was in a team playing pretty stodgy rugby behind a box kicking 9 with his main role being kick returns.
BK isn't the only one who looked a shadow of the potential they have, it looks like we've got the real Mark Bennett playing with us now, Charlie Shiel got more conservative with every game last season, last week he look terrific.
True I think Bennett is what he is I don't blame Cockers for that as Matt Scott was unplayable his second year here. Dean and JJ maxed out their abilities too.
And whilst Cockerill didn't improve many backs the back 3 were actually great. Duhan, Graham, Sau were all class. I thought Hoyland is always good too.
toocoldhere wrote:Trophyhunter wrote:Have enjoyed catching some of the Super 6 and would cautiously endorse it as a step in the right direction subject to the realities of club economics. The signing of a of Bofelli is of course exciting but who does he displace ? Taking Saturday’s backline it would have been Hoyland , Immelmann , Bennett or JJ and or Currie off the bench ! We have to be careful we don't overstock and block opportunities for other good players and emerging native talent.
Definitely Immelman
Tichtheid wrote:Friday Knight Lights wrote:Tichtheid wrote:
BK isn't the only one who looked a shadow of the potential they have, it looks like we've got the real Mark Bennett playing with us now, Charlie Shiel got more conservative with every game last season, last week he look terrific.
True I think Bennett is what he is I don't blame Cockers for that as Matt Scott was unplayable his second year here. Dean and JJ maxed out their abilities too.
And whilst Cockerill didn't improve many backs the back 3 were actually great. Duhan, Graham, Sau were all class. I thought Hoyland is always good too.
There were a lot of criticisms of Sau, particularly on various defensive issues, I wasn't one of the critics, but he did get better as the season wore on, but we let him go.
As we did with Matt Scott, despite as the story goes, an offer being on the table, then withdrawn and apparently Scott going to them and saying "make me any offer to stay", but they didn't.
If Cockerill really wanted him he'd have still been with us.
Were Duhan and Graham great? To a point, but I wonder how good they could have been with a different set up.
I'm looking forward to Boffelli arriving at some point
Tichtheid wrote:The Matt Scott story came from the man himself, you can choose to disbelieve him if you like.
Kinghorn played four league games last season, three Euro Cup games and four Rainbow Cup games, scoring a try in each competition.
He was selected as a fullback for the Autumn Series last year and back three for the 2021 Six Nations, along with his previous international selections, I’m going to go with Toonie’s assessment of the player.
djphilp wrote:Did Cockerill and McCallum not have a similar relationship to Sutherland and Cockerill. Sutherland often wasn’t Cockerill’s first choice loosehead but was Scotland’s. McCallum has shown up well enough in his performances for Glasgow so far to suggest he could still live up to his early talent.
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